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Right now im running a phenom II dual core, and I cannot unlock the 4 cores anymore so basically im in the market for a cheap quad core, what's the difference gaming-wise between an Athlon ii X4 and a Phenom ii X2 or X4?


If i were to go from phenom dual core to athlon quad core, would there be a good difference? in games like BC2?
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Phenom IIs are using 45nm technology and up to 6MB L3 cache, while Phenom X4s are 65nm and have up to 2MB L3 cache. Also, the Phenom II has added support for DDR3.

So, in short, you'd get slightly better performance going Phenom.
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Phenom IIs are using 45nm technology and up to 6MB L3 cache, while Phenom X4s are 65nm and have up to 2MB L3 cache. Also, the Phenom II has added support for DDR3.

So, in short, you'd get slightly better performance going Phenom.
They're both 45nm Oh wait, you're correct. But he was talking about Phenom II to Athlon II.

Phenom II = Deneb (has L3 cache)
Athlon II = Propus (has no L3 cache)

Otherwise, they are IDENTICAL in every way shape and form. The Athlon II x4's are roughly 1-3% slower clock for clock (depends on application) than the Phenom II counterparts.

If its between a Phenom dual or an Athlon quad, get the quad.
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Phenom II X4 is better.
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ok thanks, and do you know if BC2 specifically likes l3 cache or if it even makes that big of a difference?

And yes i know the phenoms are better, im just asking for gaming-wise
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If this is just for gaming, I would suggest the Athlon. If i recall correctly I've seen a lot of testing that proved that L3 vs L2 cache has very little effect in games.

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post #7 of 25
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If this is just for gaming, I would suggest the Athlon. If i recall correctly I've seen a lot of testing that proved that L3 vs L2 cache has very little effect in games.

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The main difference is the Phenom II's have a L3 cahce while the Athlon II's don't. So, the Phenom II's will usually perform a bit better.

The easiest way to describe it would be this:

Phenom = Max Performance
Athlon II = Great performance to cost ratio

If you OC an Athlon to 3.5ghz or so you mitigate most of the performance loss of not having an L3 cache
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ok thanks, and do you know if BC2 specifically likes l3 cache or if it even makes that big of a difference?

And yes i know the phenoms are better, im just asking for gaming-wise
I personally ran an Athlon II x4 630 @ 3.7GHz. BFBC2 on a GTX470, I maxed the game out COMPLETELY, and I was getting ~90 FPS average.
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post #9 of 25
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Thanks everyone!

I think im gonna go ahead and buy this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103871
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post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by teajayyy View Post
Thanks everyone!

I think im gonna go ahead and buy this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103871
Nice, you'll see some nice performance increases from your current CPU
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