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Originally Posted by kaxel View Post
I think they made the right decision. It is against the law for civilians to forcibly apprehend people. I think it is an excellent law. The guy should be charged with assault.
Actually you can forcibly apprehend people, civilian arrest/detaining. That isn't the problem.

The problem is when you are on the clock you are representing the company and a company doesn't have the rights to detain a civilian.
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post #182 of 244
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I think they made the right decision. It is against the law for civilians to forcibly apprehend people. I think it is an excellent law. The guy should be charged with assault.
Uh, citizen's arrest?

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Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police.
    
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post #183 of 244
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I see your point and I'll admit that I could have worded it better, but I do see a difference between what happened in the Best Buy and your example.
Yeah, it is an extreme example meant to highlight the issue rather than be necessarily realistic.

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With someone on fire, of course you'd try to help. You wouldn't be instigating the situation at all by trying to help there.
True.

Again, I think the issue from a legal standpoint makes sense, but from a moral standpoint is bass ackwards. I'm not a fan of making moral decisions on a basis of monetary considerations. I would gladly sacrifice money for my own personal integrity.

So I guess I'm just complaining about the nonsense that is the reality of the situation.
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there is no law on the book that says that. Technically... even Police are civilians unless they are active or reserve military.
There is most certainly a law on the book that says that. Okay, fine, cops are civilians. No one but law enforcement officers can do that.

"Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police."

By apprehend they mean saying, "Stop, you are under citizens arrest." You can't physically detain people. You guys are going to end up in prison some day for capturing criminals.
post #185 of 244
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By apprehend they mean saying, "Stop, you are under citizens arrest." You can't physically detain people. You guys are going to end up in prison some day for capturing criminals.
Did you already forget what you just said?

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I think they made the right decision. It is against the law for civilians to forcibly apprehend people. I think it is an excellent law. The guy should be charged with assault.
You said nothing about detaining the person, only apprehending which is exactly what I pointed out. Unless you pull out a law book, I don't think we'll be able to debate on how much force you can use to apprehend someone based on the Wikipedia quote.

Not to mention I have been against what the employee did the entire time, I was simply pointing out that you were incorrect.

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Again, I think the issue from a legal standpoint makes sense, but from a moral standpoint is bass ackwards. I'm not a fan of making moral decisions on a basis of monetary considerations. I would gladly sacrifice money for my own personal integrity.
I totally agree that it's backwards and I wish more people were willing to make the sacrifices you would.

Fact is, the world isn't getting any safer. If someone is willing to commit these crimes in broad daylight, who's to say they're of the mental capacity to not put a hole in your head?

As TheLastPriest said, it really comes down to whether your moral outage outweighs your sense of self preservation which is different for everybody.
    
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There is most certainly a law on the book that says that. Okay, fine, cops are civilians. No one but law enforcement officers can do that.

"Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police."

By apprehend they mean saying, "Stop, you are under citizens arrest." You can't physically detain people. You guys are going to end up in prison some day for capturing criminals.
link me to any law that says you cannot stop someone physically. That is your challenge...

not a quick wikipedia link which does not support your answer.

I have proof to back up my claim... ever hear of a bounty hunter? a private citizen with no law enforcement authority.
    
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Worth getting hurt or possibly killed trying to stop a thief for x dollars per hour?

Never.

The guy would have been all over the cameras in the store too. He'd have been caught eventually. Gotta leave the policing to the police.
post #188 of 244
yeah stupid policy. its better to let to go take the stuff then to stop em. if you stop em and get hurt you can sue the company and if you hurt the thieve he can sue its ****ed for both side. you do you ****ed you dont your lost out **** america is the so call great corporatism
 
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Its true but I have to agree that firing him for this is kind of a overreaction.
During employee orientation they're explicitly told not to interfere with shoplifters. They tell you then that you can be fired for doing it.

Companies specifically hire security to do this job. And like they said, they care less about some computers than the life of an employee.
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Bounty hunters rules differ from civilian rights and the rights of the "police". If you choose to forcibly detain a person as a civ you really need to have hard proof that there was a crime committed that warrants being detained. If you don't your going to be charged and arrested yourself. There is no law that says you cannot forcibly arrest somebody as a civilian, you just can't forcibly detain a person. An arrest must have proof that they committed a crime, period.
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