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All these cynical debbie downer commenters really annoy me. These are the kind of people who would have said "So what, who gives a crap?" upon hearing about the discovery of the electron back in the 1800's.

"What will a freaking electron ever do for me? What does this have to do with everyday life?"...
    
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Wow, no one quoted the key rule of science: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
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I have been wondering about what happens when you go through those blackholes...
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it kind of bothers me to see such lack of understanding of why articles like this are very important for the future of physics (albeit this article may or may not be wrong it is far from unprovable; if very massive black holes are discovered they can be identified to the primordial black holes or not and thus making us smarter).

i will give an example of a similar prepostorous event in the past. in the 1930s (i believe it was the 30s) Wolfgang Pauli postulated a particle that cannot be detected - the neutrino. It took experimental physicysts another 30 years to prove that neutrinos do exist. Now you are probably wondering *** about the neutrino? well its very important because before pauli introduced the neutrino, energy and momentum conservation laws were believed to be violated in beta decays. with the introduction of the neutrino one of the most important physical laws - energy and momentum conservation, was again true.

so in the future if some very massive black holes will be observed and eventually their creation explained, some light might be shed on why the universe is as it is
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Originally Posted by Epitope View Post
All these cynical debbie downer commenters really annoy me. These are the kind of people who would have said "So what, who gives a crap?" upon hearing about the discovery of the electron back in the 1800's.

"What will a freaking electron ever do for me? What does this have to do with everyday life?"...
Or what can a directional uniform beam of light can do for me? A flashlight is good enough.


See where the laser is used today.
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Originally Posted by Epitope View Post
All these cynical debbie downer commenters really annoy me. These are the kind of people who would have said "So what, who gives a crap?" upon hearing about the discovery of the electron back in the 1800's.

"What will a freaking electron ever do for me? What does this have to do with everyday life?"...
Yeah, and I can guarantee they also don't have a shred of the knowledge even required to understand the concepts behind theoretical astrophysics. To write it off because it seems completely foreign is pretty ignorant. As you said, electricity, space, nuclear devices, evolution etc etc - all supposedly "magic", far fetched ideas that are now commonplace knowledge in our society.

Do you people know how utterly HUGE it would be to learn anything about the universe before the universe?
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For some reason this reminds me of Dragonball Z and the hyperbolic time chamber.

Ahh the good old days of Dragonball Z
+1

i got the whole thing on DVD's might just powerdisc trough the series this weekend lol
    
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Is it wrong that I thought nothing about space or science when I hear this sentence?
My big bang will fill any black hole.
post #19 of 132
So... "[AB] Some black holes may be older than time"

But if we eventually manage to determine that is the case, then we will have determined that time began before time, and as such time began before. And when we determine that something else began before that, we will just keep pushing the beginning of time backwards.

Isn't it common sense by now that time is basically infinite both backwards and forward ? The mere assumption that time eventually began sometime means that there is a determinable frontier. But once you get to that frontier you will want to know what is beyond that frontier, which will logically mean there is something separating the something we know from the something we don't. A frontier separating something from nothing seems a bit stupid, as even "nothing" is actually, er... something.
 
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I think this is cool. One thing to point out though to people saying the 'downers' are the same people who would criticize the discovery of the electron: nothing has been discovered really here, it's just been hypothesized. I'm not a scientist, but it seems to me that there does seem to be a blurring of what exactly qualifies as science. I'm not saying this is a bad thing at all, so don't misunderstand me, but I don't think lots of what is called science today qualifies under the classical definition of science.
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