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That video was hilarious
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Yeah, and I can guarantee they also don't have a shred of the knowledge even required to understand the concepts behind theoretical astrophysics. To write it off because it seems completely foreign is pretty ignorant. As you said, electricity, space, nuclear devices, evolution etc etc - all supposedly "magic", far fetched ideas that are now commonplace knowledge in our society.

Do you people know how utterly HUGE it would be to learn anything about the universe before the universe?
Get off your high horse and look at yourself in the mirror. Someone took a cheap stab at religion so I took one at science and now everyone has pens busting in their pocket protectors. You cannot tell me that this hypotheses is more or less likely than dark matter, energy based life forms, or whatever. And don't even try to attack anyone's intelligence as high academia is often more divided than this thread is.

I swear, a lot of you scientific minds love to use the scientific method as a crutch to explain and defend your own ignorance and lack of understanding.
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But if we eventually manage to determine that is the case, then we will have determined that time began before time, and as such time began before. And when we determine that something else began before that, we will just keep pushing the beginning of time backwards.

Isn't it common sense by now that time is basically infinite both backwards and forward ? The mere assumption that time eventually began sometime means that there is a determinable frontier. But once you get to that frontier you will want to know what is beyond that frontier, which will logically mean there is something separating the something we know from the something we don't. A frontier separating something from nothing seems a bit stupid, as even "nothing" is actually, er... something.
Agreed. The definitions of "time" and "universe" are a bit to narrow for what those two things really are. For instance, there's the "visible universe" but that doesn't limit the universe to only what we can see or observe otherwise. There's far too much left unknown. Same goes for time. Our perception of it is so limited that to make statements like "older than time" doesn't do the concept justice.
    
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I swear, a lot of you scientific minds love to use the scientific method as a crutch to explain and defend your own ignorance and lack of understanding.
That made me think of the TERRIBLE song by ICP that says magnets are magic. TERRIBLE logic indeed.
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Prove it
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You cannot tell me that this hypotheses is more or less likely than dark matter, energy based life forms, or whatever.
...you actually can....

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I swear, a lot of you scientific minds love to use the scientific method as a crutch to explain and defend your own ignorance and lack of understanding..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge.

It's not a crutch but a process to explain. Scientific minds are able to use the scientific method to defend knowledge because it by definiton is a way to gain knowledge. It require strict rules and definitions.

What method or process do you use to defend "ignorance" or lack of understanding?
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/6/11 at 1:44pm
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I don't believe in the Big Bang or Big Crunch.
    
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I don't believe in the Big Bang or Big Crunch.
What do you believe in and where is your evidence?


Scientist never say you have to believe anything. However, they do ask what is your proposed explaination and supporting evidence.
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I like the theory(acutally not even a theory...more like a hypothosis) that black holes are the Universe's recyclers. You start with a big bang and every thing goes flying all over. Then stuff starts collecting due to gravity. Eventually you will get enough stuff smashed together and condensed enough to make black holes. These black holes keep sucking stuff up untill there is nothing left but other black holes to suck up. So the big ones eash the small ones untill you got two huge ones that eat each other. Then you have all the matter in the universe in one spot again. It condenses as much as it can till it is just a spec again and then...BOOM!, another big bang happens and it starts all over.

It is always possible that the bang would happen before all the black holes were picked up...maybe a lot of the black holes we can see are left overs that help jump start the next process.
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yes they are lol
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Read.

Big bangs and holes are awesome
 
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