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Originally Posted by Riou View Post
According to TUAW, the Macs with 8600M GT don't support GPU accelerated Flash.



I have an 8600M GT equivalent in one of my older Core 2 Duo ThinkPads. It does not really support GPU accelerated Flash very well either (CPU usage in the 50 percent range).
That might explain it then.... Flash acceleration requires Pure Video VP3.
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/6/11 at 1:13pm
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This would introduce huge incompatibility issues between macbook pros and imacs perhaps, many people buy macbook pros for the ability to fully run mac software in a portable fashion while being cheaper than an iMac
But I can see this happening in devices such as the macbook air
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Invest it all in ARM.
Woooo
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Well, I can see this happening on the MacBook and MacBook Air, but definitely not MacBook pros (and Mac desktops). I know many friends who use their Macs for video/sound editing and encoding, and ARM processors would significantly slow down those applications.
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Well, I can see this happening on the MacBook and MacBook Air, but definitely not MacBook pros (and Mac desktops). I know many friends who use their Macs for video/sound editing and encoding, and ARM processors would significantly slow down those applications.
Would they? Those applications are prime for multithreading. If they put, say, 32-64 1.5GHz ARM cores in a laptop...
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Originally Posted by AMD20x6 View Post
Would they? Those applications are prime for multithreading. If they put, say, 32-64 1.5GHz ARM cores in a laptop...
say helo to 1990 laptops

Edited by blooder11181 - 5/6/11 at 2:38pm
     
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In short- ARM is a much smaller instruction set than x86 which makes it simpler, cheaper, and more power efficient.
And not nearly as powerful.
    
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Originally Posted by robwadeson View Post
How is ARM going to run a full OS?
It already does.

Android is mostly Linux, iOS is mostly OS X.

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If ARM makes a serious play wouldn't Intel be able to just swoop in and use their fabs and experience to improve on it? They could license some of the instruction sets and make their own ARM processors that pwn everyone else while still maintaining x86 dominance. It should make for interesting times if nothing else.
No, they won't be able to do it probably, unless they already have engineers working on ARM chips they won't have the experience with the ARM architecture.

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Considering Apple laptop sales are a very very minor part of Intel sales this is just not true...
If ARM takes over the mainstream market, Intel no longer can choose its competitors as it can with currently via x86 licenses.

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Unless ARM is 20% faster than the the 2720QM next year, yeah right...
Keep in mind that users have a bare minimum they can stand in terms of performance, we passed that a long time ago with the Pentium 4 (Yeah, that failure of a chip) and now the bottleneck is HDDs, if there's an ARM chip that beats out or equals that, 90% of users will be fine and love the massive battery life they'd get over an x86 chip.

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You kidding? Most non-gamers or enthusiasts probably wont even notice the difference.
Fixed that for you.

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Originally Posted by OC'ing Noob View Post
I don't get some of you guys. How is this a bad thing? While I agree that chances of Apple going AMD over ARM is higher (Apple already utilizes their GPU for their computers), if ARM proves viable in the desktop CPU market, it can only help us as consumers.
This! We'd not only have AMD and Intel, but Samsung, etc

Imagine running a Samsung CPU in 10 years time.

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Originally Posted by Aestylis View Post
This is most likely what would happen. Mac drops Intel from its processor line and Intel starts fabbing the ARM processors for Apple.

http://arstechnica.com/business/news...s-possible.ars
Interesting...I hope Intel and AMD do start doing ARM CPUs, x86 is a very inefficient architecture, hence why we have all of the extensions designed to overcome that. (SSE, MMX, etc)

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Originally Posted by elchucko View Post
Honestly this could be good for CPU's. If ARM can make an in road into the desktop market then it will force Intel and AMD to tweak their processors even more to compete.

In the end it should make CPU's cooler and more power efficient. As long as speed scales as well I'll be a happy person.
Exactly, it's a win win, either AMD and Intel need to compete harder with ARM (Hence, we get faster chips due to them being able to scale up the low power ones) or they go ARM. (We get faster chips due to ARM being more efficient than x86, either that or less power usage while still letting us OC)

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So instead of designing better machines to deal with the thermal output of Intel's chips they are going to switch to ARM for the low heat and low power consumption at the cost of performance ? I know that a good chunk of the Mac Book crowd are coffee shop writers/bloggers etc and this wont put a dent in their productivity but If your a power user and use Mac Book Pro's you cant be excited about this news.
Unless Apple make a many, many cored ARM A15 chip, as the power users who buy Macbooks tend to encode stuff or use photoshop, you know, stuff that loves more cores.

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Originally Posted by meetajhu View Post
Yay another Semi accurate post. Please stop going to that useless website
Not only did you forget to check the forum its in, you also seem to have forgotten they were nearly completely right about Fermi before it launched, they had the right launch date when nVidia was still saying December, they told us it'd be hot, etc.
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Kiddies these days are given enough cash to get domains and start there own website and create there own rumors and false news. Intel and Apple are healthy and their is no reason for apple to dump them.
You do realize how inefficient the x86 architecture is, right?

There's two reasons there isn't a replacement:
1) App compatibility.
2) Intel can pick who makes x86 CPUs.

ARM may not be faster now, but the chips are using something like half a watt of power to do what they do, x86 would have no hope of doing that on the same process without significant R&D costs at the very least.

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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
Even everyday usage maxes out the CPU. Browsers playing a decent video maxes them out. A couple of apps running in the background with nothing more than a browser can use quite a considerable amount of your CPU.
My Phenom II says otherwise, 720p flash video is currently using roughly 16% of my CPU according to Process Manager...And that's the inefficient Linux version.

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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
More like 80%. Depends on what kind of sites you're visiting and apps running in the background. Not everyone has only one tab open with a static web page loaded.
The only time I've ever seen a CPU at 80% or higher when I wasn't folding, compiling, encoding, stress testing or gaming was when I was using a Pentium MMX 200Mhz with Windows XP (300Mhz minimum)

So, where are you getting your numbers from? My CPU barely gets to 5% when I play a video that is offloaded to the GPU.

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No problem. It's quite easy to do
I'm talking about laptop CPUs here btw, not your 2600k @ 5Ghz desktop if you didn't realize.
And my i3 loads less than my Phenom II does...It's a 2.4Ghz Core i3 370M, not a desktop CPU.
And you're forgetting Flash is horrid on anything but Windows, run a dedicated video and get CPU usage, plus ARM makers would be stupid not to include a GPU that can do 1080p videos...Which some can iirc.

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say helo to 1990 laptops
Because it's not like ARM is more efficient, less power hungry and cooler running than x86, right? 32ARM cores would probably use less power than a 2600K does.
    
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Source

Same topic as the other article posted earlier but this time it's from Ars.

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In the next year or so, Intel will release an update to Sandy Bridge called Ivy Bridge.
I've always respected Ars Technica but they say it like it's some new, foreign concept that people have already been aware of for a while.
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ITT: Massive misconceptions about what the ARM μArch is and what it is capable of. One of my classes last semester (computer architecture- I built a pipelined MIPS CPU in VHDL) had a guest lecture by an ARM rep. They've got a solid product.

Just because it is primarily seen in embedded systems at the moment does not mean that ARM isn't worthy of laptop computing. And they are EVERYWHERE- I'd guesstimate that there are ~10 ARM or MIPS cores in my Nexus one. Touchscreen controller, bluetooth, WiFi, power management, SD card, etc, etc.

x86 sucks. Plain and simple. It's only still around because Windows PCs and their software depend on them.

Edit: Don't forget that Ubuntu already runs on ARM. Also, Microsoft is working on Windows 8 for ARM.
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