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Originally Posted by NorxMAL View Post

I get a extreme impression you have not been following events in this thread thoroughly. I rarely show I'm displeased with someone and criticise them, but this is one of those moments.
Are you one that if in a store don't get what you want, which to others would deem as unreasonable requests, demand to speak with the supervisor and make a big fuzz?
Perhaps have little capacity for sympathy and empathy?
There might be reasons that some here can't realize why this has gone into complete disarray, and the reasons I see it is people are changing their orders, pestering the ones that arranged this group buy, natural catastrophy, complaining and moaning. It's like these fans are expected to be made even if people drown while the floods were going on. Seems some can't compare this in part with the Hurricane Katrina, and only care about what happens in their backyard. If huge discrepancies exists in that comparison, I apologize for it in advance.
This is for most part associated with negativity for those arranging this group buy, that they rather do necessary things like eating, sleeping and working for a living, than update us and be hurled down with rocks. People experience emotional turmoil, do mistakes, dealing with complications and large tasks in their life. Even though you might not experience it now, others might.
mortimersnerd had to handle ~50 changes to orders with his head straight, and even sift through "meaningful" and constructive pm's.
I could also speculate that most of the time he have handled this group buy, has gone to battle all the changes in orders, responses to pm's and confusions.
This has without a doubt in my mind hurt his business, because of the time consumption this has taken from him. I know he would have done much better professionally and privately without this ordeal. Don't write off his store yet, and rather base your experience of it when this have blown over please.
If Tator Tot and mortimersnerd had more fond feelings about this group buy, it could have been worthwhile for them and enjoyable, now it's just a nightmare. This can't be something you think about every day in huge part, like how this is hanging over Tator Tot and mortimersnerd, but especially mortimersnerd right now.
Now most of this post spanned out to target more than just one, as I had to get this off my chest, and try to clear the air a bit. I enjoy this forum a lot, but this thread feels totally alien compared to the rest. I doubt jim has two pallets filled with stone at his floor?

In this thread there is two common dispositions of which both are justified in their own right. One is that people are anxious, concerned about their money, if existing data is correct , and if and when they will see either the fans. The second disposition is that people still want their fans, but are practicing more patience and forgiveness, while still maintaining a positive note that at some point be it 2 weeks from now or 10 months from now that they will see their fans.

Again, neither one of these are a wrong disposition to have. But, this is also not comparable as to whether a store has a product in stock or not. Apparently you read my post with an overly negative and harassing tone. In fact it is nothing but statements, real potentials, sucks where we are at, and that some people have caused issues while others are roped in to deal with the mess. And in the end it still needs dealt with. I come from more of a business standpoint here as it was a business transaction that began last May. I feel bad for those roped into something and frustrated at the fact things have gone haywire in other areas. That little update on page one up top that is in quotes is a piece I contributed a while back while also offering any help that I could. And I still would give help if it were something that could be used. As it is the barebones are tied up at Jim's and he cannot legally do anything with them and he also doesn't have any current method of getting the money from FTW for the shipping that people have paid for. That is where I don't come in feeling overly sorry at this point for FTW. Sorry, I did at one point, but when we get an update of seeing fans ship soon and they never do (which was pushed for an update by OCN Admin), then it is the buyers that suffer in this process. Further, I never once said I did not feel sad or was not aware of the reason for the initial delay by Nidec. The floods were a bad thing for sure. And again I refer you to page one, post one, with the top quote.

Obviously I am following the fallout of this group buy. OCN did sponsor this and FTW committed their services. No one was under the impression that this would not be unlike most group buys. The flood was unforeseen and it was unfortunate at many levels. And it has also been a while now that the fans have been state side. Is FTW still committed? I hope so. Can we say for certain? No. Is stating these facts whining? No. This groupbuy was small potatoes to Nidec, but their commitment to the purchase was like any other as it should be.

Thus your presumptuous attitude in reading the post with the inflection you have is largely unfounded. Am I frustrated like anyone else? Yes. Is it unreasonable to point out that the time, multiple posts promising progress that never came, and uncertainty of where all things lie with the parties involved? Not at all. Don't pretend that this has all been handled just fine. As for people having lives.... well, yes, .... people do have lives, but when this group buy came together it wasn't one given with the attitude or information that it was being done in someone's spare time. The impression was also given that once fans were received it would be a matter of weeks until they shipped to customers. If this is what was accepted as someone's duties then one would respectively ask that they carry it out. Once again, the timing is off due to the floods having delayed things (that is reasonable) and people have sold fans to other members (Not sure this was the best route to take, but this option was given). People were willing to try and help with this and the spread sheet. So here we sit hoping that at best we do indeed get our fans within the next few months.

Again, it sucks we are at this place, but we are here and need to try to see what cannot be done in the mean time to make things less hectic later for when things do hopefully start rolling.
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Originally Posted by RoddimusPrime View Post

Apparently you read my post with an overly negative and harassing tone.

To be fair to NorxMAL I read the same thing into your post. It is probably because my mindset is skewed by all the people who come into this thread to post whiney comments without contributing anything constructive, or having any kind of fair reasoning. I apologise for misrepresenting you in my mind wink.gif

You are right, it is perfectly fine to be annoyed that things haven't gone to plan and to request answers, and also OK to be patient and understanding. What gets me is the people with unrealistic expectations (why didn't Nidec force their employees to work in knee deep water and ignore their shattered lives?) or just plain spoilt whiney brats posting in here.
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To be fair to NorxMAL I read the same thing into your post. It is probably because my mindset is skewed by all the people who come into this thread to post whiney comments without contributing anything constructive, or having any kind of fair reasoning. I apologise for misrepresenting you in my mind wink.gif
You are right, it is perfectly fine to be annoyed that things haven't gone to plan and to request answers, and also OK to be patient and understanding. What gets me is the people with unrealistic expectations (why didn't Nidec force their employees to work in knee deep water and ignore their shattered lives?) or just plain spoilt whiney brats posting in here.

This also influenced me the same way, so I apologize for unfounded complaints.

But my post targeted multiple individuals here, and not only you RoddimusPrime, though three was specified to you in form as questions, but implied in a strong tone.

In your response to my post I find things I disagree on being true.
I like to leave that to someone else to point out for the time being, so we don't spark up a whole lot of friction between us unfounded now.

Also I want to be in a position to understand you better, so taking some time for me to think things over, would contribute to that.
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I'm in the same boat as everyone else here. I paid for my fans and shipping and expected these fans months ago, yet you don't hear me crying and carrying on like a little school girl who got pushed in the mud. But like NorxMAL said, everyone has their own personal life they have to deal with before not only this thread, but the forum as a whole. I'd like to see how some of these people calling for banishments would handle everything if it was all dropped onto their shoulders while trying to maintain sanity. Just the amount of hate mail I imagine Tot and mort are getting would be enough for me to not want anything to do with this thread. No amount of complaining will get the fans here any faster. It's just going to cause more frustration and more turmoil. Chipp said they are stepping in to see what can be done, which is what everyone wanted, but that still doesn't seem to be enough. Why can't everyone just chill out and have a little patience. Last I checked "hurry the !#&% up" was not a virtue. I for one have no problem continuing to wait for my fans to come in and will continue doing so patiently. To Jim, Tot, mort, and Chipp, I'd like to thank each of you for your time and efforts put forth on this group buy and I have no doubt that you will get this resolved, one way or another


 

Does not matter. Mort has already screwed most of OCN with his actions & has ruined the FTW-PC Reputation & should not be allowed to be a OCN vendor any longer. Mort Refuses to answer PM's, Emails, No Phone contact. He has shipped somethings but not all, He has refunded some but not even close to everyone. The Fans for the group buy are NO WHERE in his possession & people have been waiting for many months, People have wasted tons of extra unneeded cash which is bad business.


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You need to calm down mate. We're all frustrated here, but accusing someone like you've done above without completely understanding the situation they're in is not cool. Chipp has already stated that he has started to look in to things, give him a chance to work things out.
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In my opinion I had enough patience. Just cause I am having problems at home or anywhere else doesn't mean I don't do my job right at work. Even though we all understand that they had obstacles occur in the past year. I think enough time has passed by and they should have gotten this situation fixed. I also support that FTW-PC should not be allowed to be a OCN Vendor.
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I was under the impression that when this group buy was formed, FTW-PC was driven by more than one person, and that FTW-PC is currently in a relocation of business from CA to MI?
Doesn't that involve that he has move his residence over there?

I must have been beaten silly, since I must imagine all of this since no one else mentions this.
Royalkilla408, you must be able to perform your job with just a ruler and a pencil if you manage to do your job right, in the middle of a relocation.
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I was under the impression that when this group buy was formed, FTW-PC was driven by more than one person,
WAS. I think Mort is running it himself now.
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and that FTW-PC is currently in a relocation of business from CA to MI?
Doesn't that involve that he has move his residence over there?

Been awhile though. Even during a move, business must go on.


I'm pretty understanding of all the delays and what not. But what I didn't like is the mention of it going to be shipped a particular week and then weeks goes by with no "sorry, it has been delayed and here's why". If there's a delay... it needed to be mentioned right away. It's only AFTER everyone went into an uproar did we finally get an update.
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Should have knocked on wood tongue.gif
Sorry too soon...

You misunderstand the comparison. The first time we attempted this we didn't even get far enough that the fans even got to this country. We have updates from mortimersnerd so PLEASE have a bit more patience. As pointed out earlier he's less inclined to assist you all if you only work toward giving him a bad name. The hard part is finding a replacement for Smasher within the company, assuming mort wants one.
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I was under the impression that when this group buy was formed, FTW-PC was driven by more than one person,
WAS. I think Mort is running it himself now.
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Originally Posted by NorxMAL 
and that FTW-PC is currently in a relocation of business from CA to MI?
Doesn't that involve that he has move his residence over there?
Been awhile though. Even during a move, business must go on.


I'm pretty understanding of all the delays and what not. But what I didn't like is the mention of it going to be shipped a particular week and then weeks goes by with no "sorry, it has been delayed and here's why". If there's a delay... it needed to be mentioned right away. It's only AFTER everyone went into an uproar did we finally get an update.

I understand where you are coming from and I agree, ideally we could have gotten continuing updates, even if it was small ones.
But there has been building up a bad attitude over a long time now, and it's exhausting. I would suggest that we welcome mortimersnerd to update us without several individuals wanting to throw him into a boiling cauldron.

FTW-PC volunteered to handle the shipping, and have had no intentions to profit from it in terms of money. So I don't call that business like compared to FTW-PC's normal operations.
I hope we get our fans, before we all start to pull each others hairs out redface.gif
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