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Is it impossible to have a civilized discussion on what either company is doing without it erupting into a argument?

Why do people bring up amd in Intel threads and intel in amd threads? It looks like you all work for these companies or something.
Because it's fun.
    
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nothing illegal? Are you kidding me?

*cough* http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33882559

*cough* http://www.antitrustlawyerblog.com/2...ues_intel.html

there's your precious overlord in action. By the way amd deserved more than the 1.25 billion usd they settled for, but they couldn't afford to put up a long trial. I remember reading about the federal trade commission turning around and suing intel the moment amd settled. It was music to my ears.

And don't feed us that better product garbage. As consumers you should be angered with intel for developing the **** that it had been developing when they've recently proved that they were more than capable of producing competitive products. They chose to instead produce garbage that amd walked all over.

Ever since the kryptonite-ii was released in 1998 amd was better in every way and at a more reasonable price. Amd beat intel to the 1.0ghz barrier and when intel caught up, amd's product was still better. Amd was the first to bring 64-bit processing to desktops. Amd was the first to abandon the fsb and was the first to utilize an integrated memory controller. When intel caught wind of amd's revolutionary dual-core processor, they rushed together a shoddy pentium-d that was just two single cores communicating through the fsb so they could release it first. They only released it four days before amd and amd stomped it to the ground at, again, a much more reasonable price.

You can chalk it up to fanboyism, but intel is one of the most disgusting corporations that i can think of. The only ones worse--off the top of my head--being insurance companies and banks. As for amd? Well, i'm not so naive to think that any corporation is the consumers friend, but since via was snuffed out, they aren't going to offer much competition to intel and amd just happens to exceed my needs at a better price.


I'm also not so naive to think that anyone actually reads entire posts, but i just thought i'd just remind people of those "legal" things that intel has been doing.



Back on topic: Amd and ibm are also developing 3d transistors and since amd was the first to get to 22nm, i don't think this spells the end for them.
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*Snip*
I can't be bothered to write paragraphs so I'll sum it up nicely:

  • 10 Years of brand recognition
  • = More brand trust
  • = More sales whenever new product is released
  • = More money
  • = Better R&D
  • = Better products
  • 10 Years of no recognition
  • = Unknown brand
  • = No trust
  • = No money
  • = Scraping the bowl for R&D
  • = Difficult to produce products.
Can you not understand these concepts? I am not an AMD or Intel 'fanboy'. I give my money to whoever offers the best for the money. Or does that concept evade your mind as well? I don't get why you get so offended and defensive to a company that doesn't even know you exist.

Now, you obviously seem to have no idea about how businesses work, or how you need money to get ahead, so I don't know why you keep on commenting like you're the fountain of all knowledge? It would have been nice to have a decent conversation with you but you seem to be incapable of that, having to rely on sarcasm and the likes to get your point across and even then it's mostly invalid and opinionated points.
    
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meh, if AMD is all that, then how come intel has 80% of the market and is the current leader in CPU performance?
don't be trolling something just because you cannot afford it.
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meh, if AMD is all that, then how come intel has 80% of the market and is the current leader in CPU performance?
don't be trolling something just because you cannot afford it.
What? Whom are you addressing?
    
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Source

NOTE: Can we get back on topic in discussing why Intel's 22nm really matter?
will intel be making CPU to drop into SB motherboards? or will i have to buy another rig... again D:
    
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What? Whom are you addressing?
Dunno about you, friend, but, I'll be addressing a letter to Santa regarding some upcoming products later this year.

Still not sure if the guy really exists or not, but we can only hope, right?
    
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will intel be making CPU to drop into SB motherboards? or will i have to buy another rig... again D:
Ivy Bridge will be available for both Socket 1155 and 2011.
    
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There's no way Intel will develop a monopoly. I trust the capitalist system of economics too much. Worst, comes to worst, the government or someone will intervene to encourage competition. Plus, AMD has IBM to help with R&D.
Capitalist systems produce monopolies. What is the point of competition? To win, winning in capitalism is dominating your market. With that in mind, I'd say Intel is well on their way.
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First I must apologize for letting this get so far off topic, but the door was opened when someone announced that Intel didn't do anything illegal to maintain its monopoly.

I cited my sources to show the contrary, no one else did, because frankly they don't want the damage caused by the re-writing of program code and the sales from OEM's to be as damaging as they actually were. But it was and AMD has been hurt by it, VIA has been hurt by it, ATI has been hurt by it, and Nvidia has been hurt by it.

Keep in mind that they only got their settlment in 2009 and it takes many years to develope a product so we won't see the fruits from it for some time. I know I shouldn't expect these forum goers to know how economics work and clearly they don't. You can't innovate without money, but again I shouldn't expect any of you to understand how economics work.




Finally, the largest gap in performance in CPU history was between the Pentium 4/D and the Core 2, not between the Core 2 and the Athlon 64. The Core 2 was not an evolution of the Pentium 4, in fact it was an evolution of the Pentium M which was based on the Pentium 3. Yes, this is the shoddy processor to which I was referring, but the entire Pentium line (Pentium 2 through Pentium D) were shoddy. The only market Intel should have been seeing sales from was its mobile processors (Pentium M/Core Duo) of which it has always been superior in. AMD always had servers/desktops, Intel always had laptops.

With that, I have said what I had come to say and I won't bother correcting blatant misinformation anymore. If anyone feels the need to correct me, please cite your sources and remember, Wikipedia is not an academically accepted source.

Now get back on topic!
You really wine too much. This is business, you act like Intel personally assaulted your wife. Business is about increasing revenue and beating down the competition. If things cross the line, you take it to court and settle it there and life goes on. Speaking of monopolies, Walmart is one too, they basically bully suppliers into whatever pricing they want. It seems unfair, but such is life. The big fish in the pond rains supreme.

Now more on topic, Intel > AMD in cutting edge technology and performance, end of story. IF you want a cheap budget build, both offer good choices. Many would argue AMD is the best at mid to low range processor pricing. Personally, I go with whatever will give me the best performance for my dollar.

To finish of, AMD is no different than Intel, if they were the top dog right now, they'd bully around Intel too. AMD's pricing is bases solely upon strategy and demand. A good example of this was when nVidia was stuttering to get Fermi out. AMD took full advantage of this and made us pay top dollar for their videocards. In the end, is all about maximizing the $$$.
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