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This will probably be the last news thread I read or at least respond to. The overall quality of OCN has fallen to the pits with a constant supply of e-thug noobs trying to build "street credit" by trying to show other people up and fanboys who have nothing else to offer in their sad, pathetic lives than to clash on the net with their e-peens and retarded levels of intelligence and inexplicable to certain companies that only care about their piggy banks.

As a passing note to hopefully draw out all the fanboys on this site to ultimately ignore them, I leave those idiots with one final message before my ignore spree:

You fanboys are like crotch rot; with the exception of your own ilk, everyone wishes that you would just throw yourselves off the nearest multi-story building and DIE.
Um, I am not really going to say anything against/for your post, but dude why do you care so much about the fanboys? I mean, they are EVERYWHERE and it is stupid to give them so much attention.. and anyways, everyone has his/her own opinion about everything.. so yeah, they are annoying and stupid, but hating wouldn't help.
    
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Um, I am not really going to say anything against/for your post, but dude why do you care so much about the fanboys? I mean, they are EVERYWHERE and it is stupid to give them so much attention.. and anyways, everyone has his/her own opinion about everything.. so yeah, they are annoying and stupid, but hating wouldn't help.
I am sick and tired of digging through worthless fanboy posts to find relevant (saying good would be too generous most of the time) posts and discussion.
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Can you please educate me and others on how Economics works?

When I took it in University, I must've missed all my classes, and I really have no idea how it works.

What is supply and demand again? Is supply the things you sell, while demand is..... what exactly?

Please educate me Professor.

Please explain to me why Intel is worth $125 Billion, while AMD is worth just over $6 Billion.
http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:INTC

How did Intel manage to make $11.5 Billion in the 4th quarter of 2010?
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/...fourth-quarter

Also, how did they get $12.8 Billion ( TWICE AMD's worth ) in Q1 2011 despite the SB recall?
http://mashable.com/2011/04/19/intel-q1-2011/

How much do you estimate they would've made if the Recall didn't take place?

Since you wanted sources, there you go, now, please educate me on how this happened, because I really have no clue how it all works.

Are they still bribing OEM's or something? How are they doing this with Shoddy processors?

I'm so lost!

But you seem like a good guy to get educated from, so please share your expertise.
Great post! =)

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Well on their way to being a monopoly,even more so than they already are.
AMD would most likely get killed off in the process,if this happens I'd go to a Android tablet for my surfing needs,and to consoles for gaming before going back to Intel.
Man that would suck. ;(

Anyways please go on, its very interesting!
Also I can't wait for the new Intel chips!

Thanks, Sir Overkill.
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This thread sure went downhill fast..... lol.
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Nothing illegal? Are you kidding me?

*cough* http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33882559

*cough* http://www.antitrustlawyerblog.com/2...ues_intel.html

There's your precious overlord in action. By the way AMD deserved more than the 1.25 Billion USD they settled for, but they couldn't afford to put up a long trial. I remember reading about the Federal Trade Commission turning around and suing Intel the moment AMD settled. It was music to my ears.

And don't feed us that better product garbage. As consumers you should be angered with Intel for developing the **** that it had been developing when they've recently proved that they were more than capable of producing competitive products. They chose to instead produce garbage that AMD walked all over.

Ever since the Kryptonite-II was released in 1998 AMD was better in every way and at a more reasonable price. AMD beat Intel to the 1.0GHz barrier and when Intel caught up, AMD's product was still better. AMD was the first to bring 64-bit processing to desktops. AMD was the first to abandon the FSB and was the first to utilize an integrated memory controller. When Intel caught wind of AMD's revolutionary Dual-Core processor, they rushed together a shoddy Pentium-D that was just two single cores communicating through the FSB so they could release it first. They only released it four days before AMD and AMD stomped it to the ground at, again, a much more reasonable price.

You can chalk it up to fanboyism, but Intel is one of the most disgusting corporations that I can think of. The only ones worse--off the top of my head--being insurance companies and banks. As for AMD? Well, I'm not so naive to think that any corporation is the consumers friend, but since VIA was snuffed out, they aren't going to offer much competition to Intel and AMD just happens to exceed my needs at a better price.


I'm also not so naive to think that anyone actually reads entire posts, but I just thought I'd just remind people of those "legal" things that Intel has been doing.



Back on topic: AMD and IBM are also developing 3D transistors and since AMD was the first to get to 22nm, I don't think this spells the end for them.
QFBF - figure it out.

Why do you keep going on and on about the same thing? You think we're not aware of the situation?

Intel Paid their dues, paid their fines, and carried on.

If AMD felt they should've got more, then they shouldn't have accepted the settlement offer.

I don't hear AMD whining about it, yet, you can't seem to let it go.
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I would say that the 22nm Ivy Bridge processors have the AMD side a bit worried. Especially after early reports of Bulldozer not even catching Sandy Bridge.
    
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This new 22nm stuff has got me all excited. This isn't just another step forward in processor technology, this is a leap. This is brand spanking new stuff that we're going to experience in our time that might be talked about and even used from here on out. It's pretty significant.

As for AMD, it's a shame but honestly I haven't given any AMD a thought in awhile. I mean, the only news I've heard about AMD that has any real attraction was/is Bulldozer and even then, imo, it's snooze-ville. AMD has been so far behind for the longest time.
Though that's not to say "AMD is finished" like everyone keeps saying or claiming. Give AMD some time and they'll catchup. The competition, especially directly, always comes back usually with something newer and greater. AMD is not done and out, don't fool yourself into thinking that for a minute. I personally don't like AMD, that's just me because I've never had any real experience with them, but that's not to say I think they're "doomed and it's all over." Give it a rest. That NEVER happens.

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Um, I am not really going to say anything against/for your post, but dude why do you care so much about the fanboys? I mean, they are EVERYWHERE and it is stupid to give them so much attention.. and anyways, everyone has his/her own opinion about everything.. so yeah, they are annoying and stupid, but hating wouldn't help.
OC Noob has a point though. It's gotten SO much worse over the past two years. OCN has nothing but worthless "OMG I HATE UUUU AND <X COMPANY or PRODUCT>"
It's rubbish nonesense most of the time. Like the whole Sony thing for example, people are acting and even saying like "Playstation is no more! WE WON!!!" and stupid rantings about how they're so evil. Or Apple and their location tracking stuff - "Apple's done for, there going to get sued into oblivion! Big brother is watching! Oh noes"
Give it a rest - it's nothing but drama on the internet. OCN never used to be this way. Playstation will not die off and neither will AMD for that matter. Apple is not going to suddenly stop addressing issues with iOS yet alone have some kind of big evil device take-over schemes.
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This new 22nm stuff has got me all excited. This isn't just another step forward in processor technology, this is a leap. This is brand spanking new stuff that we're going to experience in our time that might be talked about and even used from here on out. It's pretty significant.

As for AMD, it's a shame but honestly I haven't given any AMD a thought in awhile. I mean, the only news I've heard about AMD that has any real attraction was/is Bulldozer and even then, imo, it's snooze-ville. AMD has been so far behind for the longest time.
Though that's not to say "AMD is finished" like everyone keeps saying or claiming. Give AMD some time and they'll catchup. The competition, especially directly, always comes back usually with something newer and greater. AMD is not done and out, don't fool yourself into thinking that for a minute. I personally don't like AMD, that's just me because I've never had any real experience with them, but that's not to say I think they're "doomed and it's all over." Give it a rest. That NEVER happens.
I hope there is some better competition on the horizon, it's more healthy that way for pricing, etc. Right now Intel is flat out dominating and it's kinda frustrating to see AMD not competing at the same level. I think it'd be awesome if they could get an extreme line out again.

I'm real excited about this 22nm line; it's really gonna push the the performance edge.
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I hope there is some better competition on the horizon, it's more healthy that way for pricing, etc. Right now Intel is flat out dominating and it's kinda frustrating to see AMD not competing at the same level. I think it'd be awesome if they could get an extreme line out again.

I'm real excited about this 22nm line; it's really gonna push the the performance edge.
So true, I wrote this on another thread when I thought a poster said that AMD was done, or something along those lines.

This is another one of my Intel fanboy posts.

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AMD leaving would be the absolute WORSE thing that could happen.

1. Intel would have a monopoly in Desktop CPU's and would be free to charge what ever they wanted.

If BD wasn't coming out this year, you really think the 2600K & 2500K would be priced as cheap as they are?

2. There would be no incentive in ongoing R & D in making faster more efficient CPU's.

If it wasn't for AMD in the good ol' Athlon days, Conroe and eventually the Quad Core i7's wouldn't have been born. AMD forced Intel to step up their game, and that they did.

We need AMD for the competition to keep prices in line, to keep CPU's moving forward, and to quite simply keep Intel in check.

That's why I'm disappointed to hear AMD say that they have no plan for 3D transistors, they've been 1 - 2 Generations behind for the past 5 years, and it looks like that trend is going to continue.

I still have a soft spot in my heart for AMD, in the good ol' days, all I built was AMD rigs, and this time around I had to go Intel again due to the better performance over Phenom II's.
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Intel only applied 3D transistor tech to a modified CPU manufacturing process, 3D transistors were discovered/invented in 2007, and NOT by Intel. This is a step forward, and if AMD chooses to wait and see what this tech does, then so be it. All the AMD haters thinking that AMD should drop everything that they are doing and follow Intel's lead are thinking way wrong. AMD is making a smart move by seeing how much of an improvement this brings to the table. They are letting Intel do the field/market research for them. Smart move I think, but it does leave them behind in that specific area of CPU tech, but we still do not know what BD brings to the table.
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