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http://www.huliq.com/44190/unisantis...stor-singapore

Intel only applied 3D transistor tech to a modified CPU manufacturing process, 3D transistors were discovered/invented in 2007, and NOT by Intel. This is a step forward, and if AMD chooses to wait and see what this tech does, then so be it. All the AMD haters thinking that AMD should drop everything that they are doing and follow Intel's lead are thinking way wrong. AMD is making a smart move by seeing how much of an improvement this brings to the table. They are letting Intel do the field/market research for them. Smart move I think, but it does leave them behind in that specific area of CPU tech, but we still do not know what BD brings to the table.
I read that article, and didn't see any mention of Intel. Who cares who found what first, it's who is using it effectively FIRST. In this case, it's not your beloved AMD.

How is AMD making such a smart move by letting Intel further revolutionize tech, while sitting back and watching them do it?

If what Intel says it's true, and this has a 37% improvement, with half power ( You think they're just making up these number, or have data to back it up? ) how long is it going to take AMD to catch up? 3 - 5 years minimum, while Intel will continue to tweak and mature the process.

They've been talking about this tech since 2002.

Hasn't AMD fallen behind enough already?

There's a reason why beyond Ivy Bridge, Intel will ONLY be using 3D Transistors, and will no longer use the 2D Transistors being used today.

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How soon will Intel use this technology?

Intel is essentially a chip manufacturer. So when it announces a new technology it's a not pie-in-the-sky idea. Intel's next-generation "Ivy Bridge" processors (which will follow its current Sandy Bridge chips) will use this 3D transistor technology exclusively. In other words, Intel will quit making 2D transistors and move completely to 3D on Ivy Bridge. Ivy Bridge will go into commercial production at the end of this year and into large production volume in 2012.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20059431-64.html

Are the AMD fanboys going to once again blame Intel for getting a head start? Remember, AMD has said "3D Transistors We Don't Need'em" when in reality, the headline should be: "3D Transistors We Don't Have'em"

I remember how arrogant AMD was when they were ahead, thinking that Intel couldn't bounce back with Conroe, and now look, they've yet to build a product that exceeds Intel's performance in the last 5 years, and counting.

ALL AMD can do is build cheap products that don't live up to Intel's performance, and they wonder why they're not making that much money. But again, it's all Intel's fault!
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intel is bad because they screwed amd for years ... and now they are supose to be good and we are supose to forget all the damage they done in the past because a judge ruled in a case ... and also because intel wasnt caught in new ilegal practices....


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intel is bad because they screwed amd for years ... and now they are supose to be good and we are supose to forget all the damage they done in the past because a judge ruled in a case ... and also because intel wasnt caught in new ilegal practices....


fanboys and their logic make me laugh
Not sure if this is sarcasm, but Intel has not given anything to cause hate in recent years and their pricing has been excellent. They have already been fined for their past crimes and you have no evidence at all that they committed new crimes. While remembering the past is always important, it is equally important to move on and not get stuck. That is for bitter old people. Learn to move on or you are no better than those retarded fanboys you are making fun of.
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I read that article, and didn't see any mention of Intel. Who cares who found what first, it's who is using it effectively FIRST. In this case, it's not your beloved AMD.

How is AMD making such a smart move by letting Intel further revolutionize tech, while sitting back and watching them do it?

If what Intel says it's true, and this has a 37% improvement, with half power ( You think they're just making up these number, or have data to back it up? ) how long is it going to take AMD to catch up? 3 - 5 years minimum, while Intel will continue to tweak and mature the process.

They've been talking about this tech since 2002.

Hasn't AMD fallen behind enough already?

There's a reason why beyond Ivy Bridge, Intel will ONLY be using 3D Transistors, and will no longer use the 2D Transistors being used today.



http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20059431-64.html

Are the AMD fanboys going to once again blame Intel for getting a head start? Remember, AMD has said "3D Transistors We Don't Need'em" when in reality, the headline should be: "3D Transistors We Don't Have'em"

I remember how arrogant AMD was when they were ahead, thinking that Intel couldn't bounce back with Conroe, and now look, they've yet to build a product that exceeds Intel's performance in the last 5 years, and counting.

ALL AMD can do is build cheap products that don't live up to Intel's performance, and they wonder why they're not making that much money. But again, it's all Intel's fault!
See, I posted the back story to the 3D transistor to say that Intel was not the creator of the tech, but good for them to bring it to the market. And this is what I get.......

Now onto this issue you have with AMD. 95% or more of computer users will never see the performance difference between the two CPU makers, period. Where they will see the difference is the PRICE POINT. This subject has been beaten to death by the benchmark police like you saying Intel this, AMD that. Seriously, it needs to stop. If you feel that your over-priced Intel products are for you, then go for it. I'll stick with AMD, as I have been with them since the Super-socket 7 days, when Intel AND AMD processors could use the same socket. Also look up AMD vs. Intel and see how many times AMD has won against Intel in court vs how many times it has lost. Historically Intel has been dragged to court more than AMD because of their market monopoly and shady business practices.
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Not sure if this is sarcasm, but Intel has not given anything to cause hate in recent years and their pricing has been excellent. They have already been fined for their past crimes and you have no evidence at all that they committed new crimes. While remembering the past is always important, it is equally important to move on and not get stuck. That is for bitter old people. Learn to move on or you are no better than those retarded fanboys you are making fun of.
Ya it's deep deep in the past like. Over 2 years since anything really bad has happened.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-an...piracy-339990/

I myself believe that these payouts recently are from that. But there's still a huge can of worms from asia pacific market. I don't want to see intel go away. I would love to see them be run by less pyschopaths and sociopaths and more normal people as well as hugely downsized.
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Ya it's deep deep in the past like. Over 2 years since anything really bad has happened.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-an...piracy-339990/

I myself believe that these payouts recently are from that. But there's still a huge can of worms from asia pacific market. I don't want to see intel go away. I would love to see them be run by less pyschopaths and sociopaths and more normal people as well as hugely downsized.
exactly ... i wish that intel would be run by some money hungry people like every other company for the sake of the shareholders .. but employ honnest business practices


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Originally Posted by OC'ing Noob View Post
Not sure if this is sarcasm, but Intel has not given anything to cause hate in recent years and their pricing has been excellent. They have already been fined for their past crimes and you have no evidence at all that they committed new crimes. While remembering the past is always important, it is equally important to move on and not get stuck. That is for bitter old people. Learn to move on or you are no better than those retarded fanboys you are making fun of.


why would we remember the past if we dont act up in the future to make sure it doesnt happen again ...



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See, I posted the back story to the 3D transistor to say that Intel was not the creator of the tech, but good for them to bring it to the market. And this is what I get.......

Now onto this issue you have with AMD. 95% or more of computer users will never see the performance difference between the two CPU makers, period. Where they will see the difference is the PRICE POINT. This subject has been beaten to death by the benchmark police like you saying Intel this, AMD that. Seriously, it needs to stop. If you feel that your over-priced Intel products are for you, then go for it. I'll stick with AMD, as I have been with them since the Super-socket 7 days, when Intel AND AMD processors could use the same socket. Also look up AMD vs. Intel and see how many times AMD has won against Intel in court vs how many times it has lost. Historically Intel has been dragged to court more than AMD because of their market monopoly and shady business practices.

i wouldnt mind see'ing some of those files or at least news article on those multiple times that intel have been dragged to court if you dont mind
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i wouldnt mind see'ing some of those files or at least news article on those multiple times that intel have been dragged to court if you dont mind
Look it up online yourself, I'm not going to do the research for you.
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why would we remember the past if we dont act up in the future to make sure it doesnt happen again ...
Part of me hopes you are just trying to troll me with inane questions, whereas the other half has seen enough stupid posts on OCN to think that you are being serious. There is a HUGE difference between remembering (and learning from) the past and DWELLING in the past. Remembering the past means you keep an eye on Intel to see if they stay good. Dwelling in the past is what you are doing; continuing to spout your bitter rhetoric about how evil Intel was and how they harmed AMD and zoning out half the CPU market because of old news. Like I said, learn to move on or accept your worthless AMD fanboy badge.
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Seriously? So you think Intel is such an innocent company and AMD is just behind because they have no innovations or good R&D? If you think that then I have a bridge to sell you in New York for cheap.
No. I just think the deed is done and has been over for the last 5-6 years. AMD sank billions into ATI which could have gone into R&D. I think AMD are to blame for AMD being behind (so to speak, because they're not really 'behind')

You misunderstand completely if you think I'm leaning one way or the other. I'm just as tired as everyone else with the fanboy comments that accompany every vendor based thread. In this instance, someone started accusing Intel of being to blame for ALL AMD's woes and that simply isn't true.
    
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