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You guys want to know why AMD is worse off still than Intel? AMD floundered with die re-spins while Intel was dominating with the Core series and AMD CEO Ruiz (as well as other execs) was continuing to collect his million dollar checks. Say what you want about Intel, but AMD has repeatedly shot themselves in the feet with apathy and Intel continues to innovate despite the lead.
Edited by OC'ing Noob - 5/10/11 at 11:10am
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Not sure if this is sarcasm, but Intel has not given anything to cause hate in recent years and their pricing has been excellent. They have already been fined for their past crimes and you have no evidence at all that they committed new crimes. While remembering the past is always important, it is equally important to move on and not get stuck. That is for bitter old people. Learn to move on or you are no better than those retarded fanboys you are making fun of.
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Part of me hopes you are just trying to troll me with inane questions, whereas the other half has seen enough stupid posts on OCN to think that you are being serious. There is a HUGE difference between remembering (and learning from) the past and DWELLING in the past. Remembering the past means you keep an eye on Intel to see if they stay good. Dwelling in the past is what you are doing; continuing to spout your bitter rhetoric about how evil Intel was and how they harmed AMD and zoning out half the CPU market because of old news. Like I said, learn to move on or accept your worthless AMD fanboy badge.
Precisely. We have members who are a few months into their membership invading such threads with complete non-sense. As you say, the past is past and there is no such accusations of newer crimes being commited. Intel has paid twice for their misdeeds. Yet, some people still insist on spouting a bunch of contrived, convoluted morals on which brand they prefer that are no longer relevant.

The only people who need to keep their eye on the past, and on the present, are AMD's lawyers to ensure no more laws are broken to a detriment to AMD. There is honestly no excuse for these "Intel are a really evil company. How can you buy from them?" posts. Especially when these people don't like the answer "er, cause it's faster?" and reply "oh of course it's faster Intel scrwed AMD for years blah blah Intel should pay more to AMD and give AMD the upper hand so then they can be the fastest!"

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No. I just think the deed is done and has been over for the last 5-6 years. AMD sank billions into ATI which could have gone into R&D. I think AMD are to blame for AMD being behind (so to speak, because they're not really 'behind')

You misunderstand completely if you think I'm leaning one way or the other. I'm just as tired as everyone else with the fanboy comments that accompany every vendor based thread. In this instance, someone started accusing Intel of being to blame for ALL AMD's woes and that simply isn't true.
You make a very valid point, and sorry if I took you the wrong way. Intel was only a factor in AMD's issues, though a larger one, but still Intel is not to blame for 100% of AMD's problems. If AMD chooses not to pursue 3D tech in CPU manufacturing, then that is their business, if it will affect how they grow and recover time will tell. Maybe they have tech that nets the same amount of performance gains that 3D gives, who knows. I know some people here take brand loyalty to new levels sometimes, but in the end it is my money and I'll educate myself and then buy what I want.
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You make a very valid point, and sorry if I took you the wrong way. Intel was only a factor in AMD's issues, though a larger one, but still Intel is not to blame for 100% of AMD's problems. If AMD chooses not to pursue 3D tech in CPU manufacturing, then that is their business, if it will affect how they grow and recover time will tell. Maybe they have tech that nets the same amount of performance gains that 3D gives, who knows. I know some people here take brand loyalty to new levels sometimes, but in the end it is my money and I'll educate myself and then buy what I want.
Hey, no probs

I think it's extremely likely that AMD will pursue 3D fabrication technology at some point. I think that was something else misunderstood in the AMD thread where they said they don't need/want it. They just said "yet" it's the natural progression of fabrication tech. 3D transistors is good for us all! =D
    
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You make a very valid point, and sorry if I took you the wrong way. Intel was only a factor in AMD's issues, though a larger one, but still Intel is not to blame for 100% of AMD's problems. If AMD chooses not to pursue 3D tech in CPU manufacturing, then that is their business, if it will affect how they grow and recover time will tell. Maybe they have tech that nets the same amount of performance gains that 3D gives, who knows. I know some people here take brand loyalty to new levels sometimes, but in the end it is my money and I'll educate myself and then buy what I want.
No reasonable person will hate on you for buying AMD over Intel. We all buy the things that we choose to buy. That is our power as a consumer. Buying AMD procs does not make you or anyone a fanboy. Hell my HTPC's have always been AMD due to the fact that I can get a reasonably fast quad core for under $100 BNIB. The line is crossed however and you become a fanboy when you meet the following conditions:

- Deny the shortcomings of the product or brand despite factual evidence or lack of
- Spread FUD about opposing brands with lack of factual evidence or against factual evidence
- Spout constant negative rhetoric over and over about opposing brands
- Lie about the reason of purchasing an item; if one buys it because it is cheap or one likes AMD, that is fine, but don't try to lie or make up excuses about it. Just be honest
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You guys want to know why AMD is worse off still than Intel? AMD floundered with die re-spins while Intel was dominating with the Core series and AMD CEO Ruiz (as well as other execs) was continuing to collect his million dollar checks. Say what you want about Intel, but AMD has repeatedly shot themselves in the feet with apathy and Intel continues to innovate despite the lead.
Look AMD is a very conservative company and very resource oriented and not a "lame and game em" company. If they die spin it's because they are trying to fill the needs of their customers.
Llano is going to have less cpu power than a low end i3. Because it's not necessary. If you want to jerk off to cpu blowfish benchmarks go ahead. VIA and AMD are just trying to put what people need on the stupid chip. AMD should probably back off e350 and let VIA have it with nano 3000 and mini itx 2.0 with delicious pci-express instead of stale pci slot. That would also keep nvidia busy making add in cards and give them less time to plot taking over the world with insane tegra promises.
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Look AMD is a very conservative company and very resource oriented and not a "lame and game em" company. If they die spin it's because they are trying to fill the needs of their customers.
Llano is going to have less cpu power than a low end i3. Because it's not necessary. If you want to jerk off to cpu blowfish benchmarks go ahead. VIA and AMD are just trying to put what people need on the stupid chip. AMD should probably back off e350 and let VIA have it with nano 3000 and mini itx 2.0 with delicious pci-express instead of stale pci slot. That would also keep nvidia busy making add in cards and give them less time to plot taking over the world with insane tegra promises.
Die shrink re-spins are fine and dandy, but when that is all you have then you are in trouble. Maybe Llano and BD will change things, but the last few years we have only seen budget procs come out of AMD. Also, Llano is not out yet so you know nothing about it. All we have are rumored performance leaks from their closed door showing. Also, I have mentioned nothing about benchmarks, Nvidia, or gaming so why don't you stuff it with your pointless accusations. It only makes you look like another foolish fanboy.
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Look AMD is a very conservative company and very resource oriented and not a "lame and game em" company. If they die spin it's because they are trying to fill the needs of their customers.
Llano is going to have less cpu power than a low end i3. Because it's not necessary. If you want to jerk off to cpu blowfish benchmarks go ahead. VIA and AMD are just trying to put what people need on the stupid chip. AMD should probably back off e350 and let VIA have it with nano 3000 and mini itx 2.0 with delicious pci-express instead of stale pci slot. That would also keep nvidia busy making add in cards and give them less time to plot taking over the world with insane tegra promises.
A low end i3 is only ~$120. Slap that in a cheap motherboard, and you have a potent combo. I highly doubt that llano will be much cheaper. As you stated most users don't need much processing power. The IGP in both the i3 and llano would be sufficient. If AMD goes under it is due to mismanagement.

For competitions sake (and AMD's) I really hope that BD and llano is up to snuff.
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I buy AMD,i like the upgrade path and cheapness,but as of late they are not a 'performance' chip to fight fairly with intel,funding i am thinking is the big issue,you cant ignore the resources intel can bring to bear on R+D. I am just waiting for BD,if it doesnt perform,a nice 2600k for me. i would rather stay underdog tho....
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