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Originally Posted by JCPUser;13461340 
^ Precisely.




22nm will be better than 32nm. 3D transistors will be better than current fab techniques. Tomorrow's tech is nearly always better than todays -- that is obvious and well known by everybody here. I agree IB will be better than SB.

But look at that slide...

- 37% performance increase
- more than 50% power reduction
- all for 2%-3% (i.e no) cost increase

get 'em while they're hot people! rolleyes.gif

Intel's slide makes the 3D transistors seem like the second coming and people in this thread (from both sides) reacted as such. My point was... before I am going to believe that 3D transistors are the greatest voltage/heat reduction invention ever, I want to see non-biased benches (and yes, Intel is bias towards Intel products) comparing relevant quantities to Sandy.

If this slide has convinced you that IB won't just be a little better but will crush SB then you must also believe that AMD propaganda where they show that Llano is faster than Sandy, right eek.gif

http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2011/03/01/exposing-the-phantom-x86-bottleneck/

I never said I thought ib will be way better then sb performance wise and I don't see a single thing I said that would even imply that. I even said in the post you quoted that it may not give the boost intel is claiming. It will still be a boost and a step forward in tech none the less.
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Benchmarks for Intel's CLAIMS of 37% performance increase, no body here was saying that 3D was not a step forward. I'm excited for this step forward in technology, just I and others don't trust the numbers that Intel is putting out there, and the people who are running with that information going gaga over it.
Well the people going nuts with those numbers are noobs. They're estimates and a good guideline for what we may receive.
    
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Yea they are noobs which is what I was saying. It is a step foward. I said in my last post. I am just reserving judgement on how much of a step foward tri gate really is untill I see numbers other that Intel's.

If other people had done the same and had not assumed that AMD is finished because Intel has tri gate and it's "37%" performance gain then this thread wouldn't have devolved into a flame fest from the second page.
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Why are people happy that Intel gets to be a monopoly and screw us over with higher prices?
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Why are people happy that Intel gets to be a monopoly and screw us over with higher prices?

paying higher means its better ....
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Why are people happy that Intel gets to be a monopoly and screw us over with higher prices?
The line of Intel processors as a whole is priced higher than AMDs offerings, but how can you complain when you can get a 2500k for $200 that will handily beat any of AMDs offerings? Honestly they could have priced the SB line (the 2500k and 2600k at the very least) $50-$100 higher and it would still be a relatively solid value based on the performance increase over the x6 from AMD.
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paying higher means its better ....
Wasn't that the case when AMD last had FX chips that were better than Intel's?

Does anyone remember the $1000 FX chips? I sure do, 'cuz I had one. Plus I had a few Athlon rigs as well, oh the good ol' days.

Let's face it, when either company has the best chip, they charge what the market is willing to pay.

This time around, I didn't feel like getting a 980X was worth the premium, but when IB comes around, I will most likely get the 8 core.

AMD has been forced to play the price / performance game simply because their chips don't outperform Intel's, but if they did, I can guarantee you they wouldn't be priced cheaply. Just like the FX chips weren't priced cheaply back then either.

I guarantee you that this will hold true when BD hits the market.
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Will the X79 Xeons, i am so looking forward to, be manufactured using this 22nm technology?
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Yea they are noobs which is what I was saying. It is a step foward. I said in my last post. I am just reserving judgement on how much of a step foward tri gate really is untill I see numbers other that Intel's.

If other people had done the same and had not assumed that AMD is finished because Intel has tri gate and it's "37%" performance gain then this thread wouldn't have devolved into a flame fest from the second page.
I'm not bothered about anyone elses numbers. I'm not that paranoid or ridiculous that I think Intel is going to fake their estimates. I'll wait until they've spun some silicone and we cna get some benchmarks.
    
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I'm not bothered about anyone elses numbers. I'm not that paranoid or ridiculous that I think Intel is going to fake their estimates. I'll wait until they've spun some silicone and we cna get some benchmarks.
That we can agree on.
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