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Wasn't that the case when AMD last had FX chips that were better than Intel's?

Does anyone remember the $1000 FX chips? I sure do, 'cuz I had one. Plus I had a few Athlon rigs as well, oh the good ol' days.

Let's face it, when either company has the best chip, they charge what the market is willing to pay.

This time around, I didn't feel like getting a 980X was worth the premium, but when IB comes around, I will most likely get the 8 core.

AMD has been forced to play the price / performance game simply because their chips don't outperform Intel's, but if they did, I can guarantee you they wouldn't be priced cheaply. Just like the FX chips weren't priced cheaply back then either.

I guarantee you that this will hold true when BD hits the market.
I remember those days!

Sadly people around here get too caught up in things and start believing that AMD is the underdog and could do no wrong, yet they cannot remember the days when AMD was on top and gaining market share with their K8's vs Intel's Netburst.
    
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I remember those days!

Sadly people around here get too caught up in things and start believing that AMD is the underdog and could do no wrong, yet they cannot remember the days when AMD was on top and gaining market share with their K8's vs Intel's Netburst.
Yes and thats when AMD decided to buy ATI instead of sticking to strictly being a CPU maker and its been downhill from there ever since.
     
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Yes and thats when AMD decided to buy ATI instead of sticking to strictly being a CPU maker and its been downhill from there ever since.
Nah, designs take years to work on (3-5 years I have heard). AMD had the triple whammy of a strong Intel with Conroe, an Intel that hasn't made a slip up in 5 years, and had no reasonable response to Intel until the Phenom 2's almost a year ago.

For a while ATI was the only part of AMD making profits, and really has been quite a lot more successful then the rest of the company.
    
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That we can agree on.
It's not really possible to fake an estimate.
    
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Yes and thats when AMD decided to buy ATI instead of sticking to strictly being a CPU maker and its been downhill from there ever since.
Wouldn't AMD have gone bankrupt a long time ago if it weren't for ATI?
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Nah, designs take years to work on (3-5 years I have heard). AMD had the triple whammy of a strong Intel with Conroe, an Intel that hasn't made a slip up in 5 years, and had no reasonable response to Intel until the Phenom 2's almost a year ago.

For a while ATI was the only part of AMD making profits, and really has been quite a lot more successful then the rest of the company.
True, but not the whole story. AMD used their profits to buy ATI, then shaved the R&D personnel when they merged. Then AMDs next processor got delayed, so they banked on ATIs next GPU release to bring in revenue, but that got delayed also. With not enough R&D personnel and manufacturing at hand, they fell behind the market and were never able to really comeback in full force. The ATI division IMO has done a lot better than AMD has in the last few years. ATI has its own market sector, like with Apple. When BD comes out, it may be good, but unless it can slam Sandy Bridge, AMD will have to settle again for being passed up by consumers for Intel.
     
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Wouldn't AMD have gone bankrupt a long time ago if it weren't for ATI?
Probably so, because their CPUs weren't bringing in enough revenue and was underperforming compared to the Intel CPUs, so they had to rely on ATI. But being a CPU manufacturer, your not supposed to need another division to make your profits. AMD was ahead of Intel when they acquired ATI, so there should have been no need to rely on ATI. Microsoft's OS didn't help support their CPUs at that time either.
     
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I remember those days!

Sadly people around here get too caught up in things and start believing that AMD is the underdog and could do no wrong, yet they cannot remember the days when AMD was on top and gaining market share with their K8's vs Intel's Netburst.
AMD also got cocky and thought that Intel wouldn't bounce back. But once Conroe hit the market.... they haven't recovered since. By recovered I mean, they have yet to produce a chip that outperforms Intel's offerings.

Rehashing the same old architecture just doesn't cut it.

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Yes and thats when AMD decided to buy ATI instead of sticking to strictly being a CPU maker and its been downhill from there ever since.
I understand what you mean that they had shifted focus instead of spending that money on R & D. They now became a GPU & CPU manufacturer, and aren't dominating either area. If they hadn't spent all that money on ATI, perhaps BD would've hit the market sooner.

Years later though, that ATI investment is finally paying off with Fusion and of course the 5xxx & 6xxx series cards that are doing well. But that investment really did set them back and shifted their focus from creating FX processors that demanded $1000 price tags, to being a CPU manufacturer that HAD to justify their CPU's in the Price / Performance category simply because their CPU's haven't been up to par to Intel's offerings.

Hopefully history will repeat itself and AMD will be on top again, but one thing is clear, if BD does outperform a 2600K for example, don't expect it to be under $300 as well.
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Wouldn't AMD have gone bankrupt a long time ago if it weren't for ATI?
In my opinion,no. AMD would have had more resources for R&D towards their CPU's.
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Rehashing the same old architecture just doesn't cut it.
Intel's Core architecture is based off of the Pentium/Pentium Pro.
Edited by Heavy MG - 5/14/11 at 11:06am
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In my opinion,no. AMD would have had more resources for R&D towards their CPU's.

Intel's Core architecture is based off of the Pentium/Pentium Pro.
Core 2 Duo/Quad was designed straight of from Pentium 3

Pentium 4 was Intel's biggest mistake so they had to bounce back hard.
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