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When Intel's products cannot compete, they bully OEM's into buying them just the same and they still don't alter the prices. In fact they threaten to raise their prices.
Proof this has happened AFTER the lawsuit or stop talking about it?
    
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It won't matter in 9 years.
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That lawsuit was from around 10 years ago. When Intel were bribing Dell to refuse AMD chips. The practice ended as soon as the lawsuit was filed. It took 10 years to sort out. $1.2 billion was MORE than enough. Sure, it wasn't enough to make a dent in AMD's deficit. But don't try blame Intel because AMD ran up a deficit. Dual Cores and x64 R&D probably wasn't cheap.

AMD were market leaders until Core2. I used AMD, mainly, right up until that point and then I started using Intel and have ever since. I'm not so melodramatic as to refuse to use the market leader because of convoluted "morals" regarding a ten year old lawsuit. Some of us have children that age.

I find your likening of Intel to Insurance Companies and Banks to be absolutely hilarious

Insurance Companies are licensed theft. You are required by law to drive with insurance and therefore pay their premiums, and then they fight you tooth and nail to avoid paying out your claims, and the next year you must pay a premium again, and, if there's been a high volume of claims in your area, your premium goes up, regardless of whether you made a claim.

Banks take your money, use it, spend it and invest it but when it comes to giving you it back, or paying you interest, you get rock bottom rates. Or if you incur a bank charge, it's charged though the roof. They want your money, but they don't want to give you any at all.

Intel are like these two? Sorry, but I buy my CPU from a retailer and I expect and need nothing else of Intel. They bodged the Cougarpoint chipset and set aside a massive amount of money to fix the error, free of charge to the users.

If you don't want to buy Intel, so be it. No-one here should be trying to talk you into it. But I think you should grow up, oh, and you're not alone. There are many AMD fanboys who spout this same rubbish. I used to be a fanboy, but then I realised I was cutting myself off 50% of the market, and, I grew up.
First I said that insurance companies and banks are worse, but that is a voodoo topic on this forum which is why I didn't go into further details.

Second, the FTC's law suit began in 2009, which happens to not be 10 years ago.

Finally, your analytical skills need some minor adjustments. I'm sure Dual-Cores were quite expensive to research which is fine if you're expecting to see monitary gains from it, but, again, due to illegal business practices, that money was not seen. Big surprise that they are in debt.

By the way, monopolies do not stimulate economies.
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But the thing here is that Intel leads the performance sector, and AMD leads the midrange. Period.


You can say that Intel has the i5 2500k in midrange, but people don't think that a $240 CPU is midrange. midrange for them is around 100-140 bucks as much. And there's no competitive Intel processor there.
2500K is $179 at micro-center.
$200 online - not $240
$179 IS mid-range...

The only thing AMD leads right now is the E-Machine sector. Stop living in the past.
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First I said that insurance companies and banks are worse, but that is a voodoo topic on this forum which is why I didn't go into further details.

Second, the FTC's law suit began in 2009, which happens to not be 10 years ago.

Finally, your analytical skills need some minor adjustments. I'm sure Dual-Cores were quite expensive to research which is fine if you're expecting to see monitary gains from it, but, again, due to illegal business practices, that money was not seen. Big surprise that they are in debt.

By the way, monopolies do not stimulate economies.
Intel and AMD settled in the EU over the dispute in 2009, then the FTC started. Regardless the bribing of Dell is over ten years old.

My skills are coming into question? Sorry, I don't subscribe to melodrama.
    
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Ever since the first Core 2 Duo came out, I went with Intel, moving away from AMD, and never looked back, as I just switched my Core 2 Duo, 65nm, (of which was OC'ed from 1.86Ghz to 2.8Ghz since 2007), to an Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 45nm a week ago. I cannot wait until Hexa core CPUs drop in price, of which will be soon, it seems, with all the talk of this tri gate, 22nm tech. Will these be Octo core btw?
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Intel and AMD settled in the EU over the dispute in 2009, then the FTC started. Regardless the bribing of Dell is over ten years old.

My skills are coming into question? Sorry, I don't subscribe to melodrama.
Regardless of when the bribing of Dell took place, the bullying of HP and Fujitsu happened much more recently.
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Regardless of when the bribing of Dell took place, the bullying of HP and Fujitsu happened much more recently.
And Intel have payed their fines / settlements. Companies offering "incentives" isn't anything new.

Intel bribing manufactures hasn't been AMD's issue for years. The issue is that since 2006 Intel stepped up their game. Maybe if AMD hadn't blown a crap ton of coin buying ATI (they really overpaid)they could have caught up with Intel.
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half the power.. oh my god..

is AMD screwed?
In the last several years AMD has been getting trampled in terms of performance.
They've been screwed.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

As you can see Intel holds the top 40 places.
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Can we get back on topic to discussing as to Why Intel's 22nm technology really matters?

There are plenty of Intel vs AMD threads on OCN already.

Let's keep discussions relevant to what is happening today, May 2011.
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