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Originally Posted by DOOOLY View Post
Man this thread should be closed its not about what Brand it better its about "Why Intel's 22nm technology really matters"
Really "intels 22nm" doesnt matter. Its not a brand war is about competition and how AMD needs to become more competitive so that prices dont sky rocket
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Originally Posted by DOOOLY View Post
Man this thread should be closed its not about what Brand it better its about "Why Intel's 22nm technology really matters"
Tell me about it!

There are plenty of Intel vs AMD threads on OCN already. Wish people would stick on topic, and quit turning this into yet another Intel vs AMD thread.

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Originally Posted by Heavy MG View Post
Good job,you proved his point.
So, because he's switching over to Intel which has superior technology, it makes him a fanboy?

If that's the case, I better not look into getting BD, as that will make me an AMD fanboy, and those guys are closed minded beyond belief, and wouldn't want to be associated with them.
Edited by 2010rig - 5/7/11 at 1:37pm
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post #53 of 192
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AMD may have been re-releasing 2008 CPU's, but again, they are doing so at a reasonable price. Note that because the FTC is all up in Intel's business, Intel has to sell Sandy Bridge at a reasonable price or else they couldn't compete with AMD, so you have it backwards.
I think you've skewed your idea of what's "reasonable". Intel could still compete with AMD if most of its Sandy Bridge processors were 20% higher in price, especially the K series ones, because they're significantly better performers. Heck, Intel is still selling years old processors at $250+ on more expensive chipsets (X58) and still outselling AMD in the high end by a wide margin. Intel doesn't HAVE to sell its processors so cheap because of the FTC, it simply has to refrain from its shady lock-in/penalties/benefits package when negotiating distribution deals with the likes of Dell.

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Finally, yes, I am mad because you can't blame AMD for not having the funds that they should rightfully have to put into R&D that Intel, by all rights, should not have. Intel made shoddy processors and yet they were rewarded for doing so. AMD made superior products and yet got nothing out of it. What a world we live in.
Shoddy processor? Which one? AMD's CPU department hasn't made a (comparatively) superior CPU since Intel got a little too ambitious and tried to do too many new things at once with the P4. (Nehalem, Westmere and Sandybridge were essentially gradual evolutions towards what the P4 was meant to be). Sounds to me like you're mad because intel is pushing all this new technology, requiring people to upgrade motherboards and CPU's (which in turn is making them quite a profit), and successful in doing so because AMD has failed to innovate time and time again, resulting in consumers seeing the added expense as worth it.

Unfortuantely I seriously doubt Bulldozer (in its initial iteration) will compete with intel sandy bridge, much less ivy bridge, and I dont see a single processor in their lineup that is even poised to take on the lowest end offerings of Sandy Bridge E. AMD's graphics department is keeping them afloat. Hopefully bulldozer is competitive enough, and the the GPU's remain strong enough that Bulldozer, round 2 will actually offer up something compelling. At least they're trying, but they have no one to blame but themselves for where they are.

EDIT However, given the current market, I think the real battle is at the low end, not the high end. Zacate, Atom, CULV and (ultra) mobile CPU's etc is where the true competition will be. Whether or not they can get a respectable profit margin off of them depends on whether or not they (AMD or intel) can create a compelling competitor to ARM.
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post #54 of 192
Yay! Good old AMD vs Intel flames again!

I was getting bored on all the Sandy vs Nehalems
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this is why im losing faith in humanity. fanboys all over this site is getting old.
I know I'll buy whatever performs the best for the price. I don't need convoluted "morals" and skewed perceptions of "right" in order to make my purchases. Just benchmarks, numbers and the promise that the manufacturer doesn't use kitten blood.
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All I gotta say is AMD better have something powerful with BD or they are screwed. If it gets too bad another company not intel will buy AMD to try and get them back in the market. They are so far out of the market right now in CPUs that BD will need to be 2x faster than 1366 and atleast 5 or 10 percent faster than Sandy Bridge. Even then AMD would have to come out with something that rivals ivy bridge. Dooms day looks close for AMD.
I don't see why dooms day is close for AMD at all. AMD have plenty of viable markets and are doing just fine. Their CPUs are CPUs, their GPUs are GPUs. They're still at the forefront of R&D (despite not having a mountain of cash). They price their CPUs in line with budget prices, yet they don't sell budget CPUs. They're an awesome company!
    
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Intel's new technology is really impressive...
I just can't wait. I am excited and I am always surprised by Intel!
They really are the best. 22nm, 3D transistors, oh I already love it!
    
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AMD was screwed long ago if i recall correctly, by continuously modifying the same old architecture!
These things happen in cycles. AMD blew intel out of the water when intel were stuck on the P4 series, then Intel came back with the Core architecture. We will see it swing back and forth over time.
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AMD should have invested more in silicon fabrications rather than acquiring ATI it seems.

The de facto reason why AMD is nearly three years behind Intel is because of slow fabs like TSMC which Intel also uses to produce the Atom SOC.(Which Intel will be dumping to produce tri-gates for Atom)

AMD needs to invest more in GF to better compete with Intel's fabs.
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Can it run Crysis?
    
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Intel: "In your face AMD."
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