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Intel has done nothing to encourage a break up, and intel already owns 80% of the cpu marketshare. The way breaking up of monopolies happens is that it is only done if the company A. Does something illegal or B. Does something that is blatantly anti competitive in nature. Intel has done neither of these things and holds such a large market share purely because they have been making better products than the competition.

More on topic: excited about the half the power, this should allow intel to become competitive with ARM when 22nm is worked into the atom processors. Also, does anyone know when this technology will be available, I am curious because I intend to buy a laptop for college in the fall but I don't know if I should wait or simply buy a sandy bridge one.
this, i have a laptop in my cart ready to purchase and then i read this
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this, i have a laptop in my cart ready to purchase and then i read this
You won't see Ivy Bridge 'till 1H 2012.


If you can find a good Sandy Bridge laptop for a good price, go for it.
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You won't see Ivy Bridge 'till 1H 2012.


If you can find a good Sandy Bridge laptop for a good price, go for it.
Ivy Bridge is ahead of schedule, though. Depending on the competition from AMD, Intel just might release Ivy Bridge later this year.
    
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First I must apologize for letting this get so far off topic, but the door was opened when someone announced that Intel didn't do anything illegal to maintain its monopoly.

I cited my sources to show the contrary, no one else did, because frankly they don't want the damage caused by the re-writing of program code and the sales from OEM's to be as damaging as they actually were. But it was and AMD has been hurt by it, VIA has been hurt by it, ATI has been hurt by it, and Nvidia has been hurt by it.

Keep in mind that they only got their settlment in 2009 and it takes many years to develope a product so we won't see the fruits from it for some time. I know I shouldn't expect these forum goers to know how economics work and clearly they don't. You can't innovate without money, but again I shouldn't expect any of you to understand how economics work.

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Shoddy processor? Which one? AMD's CPU department hasn't made a (comparatively) superior CPU since Intel got a little too ambitious and tried to do too many new things at once with the P4. (Nehalem, Westmere and Sandybridge were essentially gradual evolutions towards what the P4 was meant to be). Sounds to me like you're mad because intel is pushing all this new technology, requiring people to upgrade motherboards and CPU's (which in turn is making them quite a profit), and successful in doing so because AMD has failed to innovate time and time again, resulting in consumers seeing the added expense as worth it.

Finally, the largest gap in performance in CPU history was between the Pentium 4/D and the Core 2, not between the Core 2 and the Athlon 64. The Core 2 was not an evolution of the Pentium 4, in fact it was an evolution of the Pentium M which was based on the Pentium 3. Yes, this is the shoddy processor to which I was referring, but the entire Pentium line (Pentium 2 through Pentium D) were shoddy. The only market Intel should have been seeing sales from was its mobile processors (Pentium M/Core Duo) of which it has always been superior in. AMD always had servers/desktops, Intel always had laptops.

With that, I have said what I had come to say and I won't bother correcting blatant misinformation anymore. If anyone feels the need to correct me, please cite your sources and remember, Wikipedia is not an academically accepted source.

Now get back on topic!
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Keep in mind that they only got their settlment in 2009 and it takes many years to develope a product so we won't see the fruits from it for some time. I know I shouldn't expect these forum goers to know how economics work and clearly they don't. You can't innovate without money, but again I shouldn't expect any of you to understand how economics work.
Can you please educate me and others on how Economics works?

When I took it in University, I must've missed all my classes, and I really have no idea how it works.

What is supply and demand again? Is supply the things you sell, while demand is..... what exactly?

Please educate me Professor.

Please explain to me why Intel is worth $125 Billion, while AMD is worth just over $6 Billion.
http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:INTC

How did Intel manage to make $11.5 Billion in the 4th quarter of 2010?
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/...fourth-quarter

Also, how did they get $12.8 Billion ( TWICE AMD's worth ) in Q1 2011 despite the SB recall?
http://mashable.com/2011/04/19/intel-q1-2011/

How much do you estimate they would've made if the Recall didn't take place?

Since you wanted sources, there you go, now, please educate me on how this happened, because I really have no clue how it all works.

Are they still bribing OEM's or something? How are they doing this with Shoddy processors?

I'm so lost!

But you seem like a good guy to get educated from, so please share your expertise.
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Ivy Bridge is ahead of schedule, though. Depending on the competition from AMD, Intel just might release Ivy Bridge later this year.
You got any sources for that? or is that based on pure speculation as it would make sense IF BD does deliver?

I'm building a 2nd rig, and it's either going to be BD or SB based, and my current rig will be upgraded to Ivy Bridge 8 core preferably . But I heard those 8 cores won't be available until next year!

But if we'll possibly see IB this year, then both rigs may get the IB treatment.
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You got any sources for that? or is that based on pure speculation as it would make sense IF BD does deliver?

I'm building a 2nd rig, and it's either going to be BD or SB based, and my current rig will be upgraded to Ivy Bridge 8 core preferably . But I heard those 8 cores won't be available until next year!

But if we'll possibly see IB this year, then both rigs may get the IB treatment.
To be honest with you, it's all speculation right now, but, I have seen it mentioned in a few articles posted online. Of course I can't find any at this moment...
    
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Can you please educate me and others on how Economics works?

-snip-

But you seem like a good guy to get educated from, so please share your expertise.
I want some economic educations too. Then this thread might be worth a little more.
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Can you please educate me and others on how Economics works?

When I took it in University, I must've missed all my classes, and I really have no idea how it works.

What is supply and demand again? Is supply the things you sell, while demand is..... what exactly?

Please educate me Professor.

Please explain to me why Intel is worth $125 Billion, while AMD is worth just over $6 Billion.
http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:INTC

How did Intel manage to make $11.5 Billion in the 4th quarter of 2010?
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/...fourth-quarter

Also, how did they get $12.8 Billion ( TWICE AMD's worth ) in Q1 2011 despite the SB recall?
http://mashable.com/2011/04/19/intel-q1-2011/

How much do you estimate they would've made if the Recall didn't take place?

Since you wanted sources, there you go, now, please educate me on how this happened, because I really have no clue how it all works.

Are they still bribing OEM's or something? How are they doing this with Shoddy processors?

I'm so lost!

But you seem like a good guy to get educated from, so please share your expertise.
Then I'll make it simple. Intel has a superior product because they have the money to put into R&D, AMD does not. Why doesn't AMD have said money? Because when the DEMAND for AMD's product was high, Intel executed illegal business practices to cut off the SUPPLY of components to OEM's. This happened as late as 2006, which, coincidentally coincided with AMD's decline. So why is Intel worth so much and AMD so little? The money that should have been AMD's became Intel's via illegal means. The money that should have been Nvidia's and ATI's for their IGP's (the biggest GPU market) became Intel's.

Again, Intel did not just bribe Dell, it threatened companies like HP and Fujitsu (Fujitsu especially) and software developers.

Is Intel still doing this? No, the FTC is threatening Section 5 against them and their monopoly is no longer threatened.

http://www.antitrustlawyerblog.com/2...ues_intel.html Read the article if care about what the lawsuit is actually about. Or you can just pretend that it was because Intel "bribed" Dell. Sorry, but that's only a very minor part of it.

However, if circumstances had taken their normal course we would have AMD's processors evolving along a normal path to where they would still be competitive and we would see Intel also going along its normal path. It wouldn't have been a spike for Intel and a decline for AMD. And I'm sorry if you fail to see that.

CPU's take many years to develope and as such, not receiving funds from 1999 through 2006 would make an enourmous dent on research and development.
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