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Okay i have about 300$ finally to do this no strings attached. My sig rig is up to date and i need some advice from you awesome people.
Phenom x4 upgrade?
Triple core?
Ram upgrade possibly?
Graphics card?

I read that AMD's dropping prices on their cpu's, so i figured this might be the perfect time.
Or
Should i go with something else?
Thanks in advanced
Keep saving and get an i7 2500k
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Thank you guys, just ordered, feel real good about this.
    
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If your gonna update the CPU, wait for bulldozer to be released, even if you dont get one, the other previous generations will drop in price a lot.
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Got any proof to back that up? I'm running a GTX 460 1GB with an Athlon II 620 with no bottleneck in my 2nd rig. Besides, your wait for new hardware theory is bass-ackwards anyway, since CPU's are refreshing much sooner than GPU's this year. proof and more proof
Well, let's start:

1. The GTX460 is slower than an HD6870 (which is comparable to a GTX470), therefore will not bottleneck as much. Proof;

2. It depends on the games you play, the quality settings and resolution you play at, and what is the fps count you are personally satisfied with - you may be getting excellent or good performance depending on these variables, or just good enough, instead of smooth gameplay, because the CPU can't process the data fast enough to feed the CPU;

3. He already has a Dual Core Athlon; going to a Quad-core Athlon is not going to help him in games that take advantage of 2 Cores, he will be basically the same. The list you provided in the second link is evidence a lot of games still only take advantage of 2 cores. The difference then is the L3 cache the Phenom has, which makes a lot of difference in games;

4. The articles on Tom's hardware you provided don't answer this specific question. In the second article they tested the graphics card with a single CPU - the Core i5 750, overclocked to 4 Ghz, disabling or enabling cores for benchmarking purposes - and that CPU has 8 MB of L2 cache. You can't even begin to draw any conclusions. Certainly not to your side.

5. The first link you provided has the same conclusion as I:

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AMD certainly has an affordable line of processors to offer today’s gamers, made even more attractive by their willingness to overclock. While it’s clear that an overclocked sub-$100 processor can offer a wonderful gaming experience, there is good evidence to support stepping above the budget processors for gaming. Inexpensive CPUs like the Intel Pentium E6300, AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE, and AMD Athlon II family, sporting reduced cache and/or fewer processor cores, often do not allow the full potential to be squeezed from a graphics card purchase. The Phenom II X4 quad-core processors look to offer an excellent blend of performance and affordability, while the Phenom II X6 likely introduced little extra in today’s exploration, aside from its ability to hit a higher overclock. But step outside of a the gaming mindset, and it still offers six cores for heavily threaded applications and background tasks, and a reasonable $200 price tag.

6. I told him to wait for the end of the year because that's when new GPU's will arrive and the current ones drop in price. So, regardless of whether he buys one of the newer ones or the current ones, he will make a better deal then. And he will have the right CPU to back the purchase.
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Well, let's start:

1. The GTX460 is slower than an HD6870 (which is comparable to a GTX470), therefore will not bottleneck as much. Proof;

2. It depends on the games you play, the quality settings and resolution you play at, and what is the fps count you are personally satisfied with - you may be getting excellent or good performance depending on these variables, or just good enough, instead of smooth gameplay, because the CPU can't process the data fast enough to feed the CPU;

3. He already has a Dual Core Athlon; going to a Quad-core Athlon is not going to help him in games that take advantage of 2 Cores, he will be basically the same. The list you provided in the second link is evidence a lot of games still only take advantage of 2 cores. The difference then is the L3 cache the Phenom has, which makes a lot of difference in games;

4. The articles on Tom's hardware you provided don't answer this specific question. In the second article they tested the graphics card with a single CPU - the Core i5 750, overclocked to 4 Ghz, disabling or enabling cores for benchmarking purposes - and that CPU has 8 MB of L2 cache. You can't even begin to draw any conclusions. Certainly not to your side.

5. The first link you provided has the same conclusion as I:




6. I told him to wait for the end of the year because that's when new GPU's will arrive and the current ones drop in price. So, regardless of whether he buys one of the newer ones or the current ones, he will make a better deal then. And he will have the right CPU to back the purchase.
Seeing you don't actually own any of the relevant hardware, I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt. Now, when I crossfired my 1GHZ 6850's on my 3.6GHZ Athlon II 620, there was no difference in all of my dx9, dx 10, and dx11 games than with my Ph2 955 @ 4GHZ or my Ph2 1090T @ 4GHZ, all tests at 1080p max settings, V-Synch enabled. 60FPS is 60FPS, with or without L3 cache. I guess if you play without V-synch, you could cry about not getting 200FPS, and instead getting 170FPS with all that screen tearing.
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Thank you guys, just ordered, feel real good about this.
Great and i,m sure you will enjoy your pick.Congrats on your upgrade.
    
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Okay so i did see the 965 is the same price as the other one for some reason gonna buy it in 10 mins, which aftermarket cooler should i get? obviously the hyper 212+ is super effective but kinda want it shooting out the back of the case. Also curious about the install process.
I'm not very familiar with aftermarket coolers for the AMD socket, as it has a securing system that is not very flexible. The Scythe Katana 3 is able to shoot air out the back (although a little inclined to cool the VRM's). It's not a spectacular cooler for a 125w Quad-Core though. You can see here how it handles a 130w Core i7 920 @ 3.6 Ghz. If your satisfied with that kind of performance, it's a great heatsink for the money (I have one in another rig).

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Thank you guys, just ordered, feel real good about this.

Don't forget to update the BIOS before installing the new CPU.

Oh, by the way, I just noticed your motherboard is 3-Way CrossFireX and CrossFireX capable and has 3 PCIe 16x slots, being that the first runs at 16x, the second at 8x and the third runs at 4x.

So, as long as your current GPU is not a triple slot cooler affair, you can get a second HD5770 for Crossfire goodness and install it in the blue slot! (Don't forget to follow the instructions on the manual to activate the Crossfire 8x / 8x mode)


Case closed!
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Thank you guys, just ordered, feel real good about this.
What did you choose?
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Inb4 XD says not to overclock a 125w processor on that motherboard
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Seeing you don't actually own any of the relevant hardware, I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt. Now, when I crossfired my 1GHZ 6850's on my 3.6GHZ Athlon II 620, there was no difference in all of my dx9, dx 10, and dx11 games than with my Ph2 955 @ 4GHZ or my Ph2 1090T @ 4GHZ, all tests at 1080p max settings, V-Synch enabled. 60FPS is 60FPS, with or without L3 cache. I guess if you play without V-synch, you could cry about not getting 200FPS, and instead getting 170FPS with all that screen tearing.

Actually, you are not correct to assume that. I do own an Asus GTX460 1GB DirectCU, which is now in my Media Center. But that does not necessarily make me any more competent at evaluating the situation either.

Again, as I said in the beginning, it does matter depending on the specific games. That Tom's Hardware article you provided clearly stated that even tough a game is DX9 (Left 4 Dead) it can take advantage of 4 cores, while newer games will only benefit from 2, so the fact you have DX9, 10 and 11 is not an exact indication of performance. It should be done on a case by case analysis. But anyhow, it will make a difference, perhaps not noticeable in games that get to 60fps+, like you said.

The best comparison i could find is this one, between an Athlon X4 630 @2.8 Ghz, and A Phenom II X4 920 @ 2.8Ghz. They didn't test many games, but yes, you can see there is a difference, but admittedly not a major one. However, I'd like to see Far Cry 2 tested at the highest settings. It's already on the border of smooth playability as it is. I'd also like to see Crysis, which was only tested at medium settings with Enthusiast Physics - there are other parameters that also affect CPU performance which were left at Medium. Remains to be seen if it would behave the same in other games. In other things besides games tough, such as productivity, it will show a sizable difference.
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