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Actually, you are not correct to assume that. I do own an Asus GTX460 1GB DirectCU, which is now in my Media Center. But that does not necessarily make me any more competent at evaluating the situation either.

Again, as I said in the beginning, it does matter depending on the specific games. That Tom's Hardware article you provided clearly stated that even tough a game is DX9 (Left 4 Dead) it can take advantage of 4 cores, while newer games will only benefit from 2, so the fact you have DX9, 10 and 11 is not an exact indication of performance. It should be done on a case by case analysis. But anyhow, it will make a difference, perhaps not noticeable in games that get to 60fps+, like you said.

The best comparison i could find is this one, between an Athlon X4 630 @2.8 Ghz, and A Phenom II X4 920 @ 2.8Ghz. They didn't test many games, but yes, you can see there is a difference, but admittedly not a major one. However, I'd like to see Far Cry 2 tested at the highest settings. It's already on the border of smooth playability as it is. I'd also like to see Crysis, which was only tested at medium settings with Enthusiast Physics - there are other parameters that also affect CPU performance which were left at Medium. Remains to be seen if it would behave the same in other games. In other things besides games tough, such as productivity, it will show a sizable difference.
I actually happen to play Far Cry 2 a lot lately, though I don't own Crysis. I will say that with my 1090T I never dip below 60fps (except if I light the whole map on fire) with settings max'd at 1080p with v-synch on. I seriously doubt my Athlon II would be much different, but I might just try it and find out. Good find on that Anand test though, although 2.8GHZ

Edit: According to that bench tool, even the lowly 2.3GHZ Athlon II 605e is pretty good in those games
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I actually happen to play Far Cry 2 a lot lately, though I don't own Crysis. I will say that with my 1090T I never dip below 60fps (except if I light the whole map on fire) with settings max'd at 1080p with v-synch on. I seriously doubt my Athlon II would be much different, but I might just try it and find out. Good find on that Anand test though, although 2.8GHZ
As long as you're getting 40-60FPS, you are just fine.
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Inb4 XD says not to overclock a 125w processor on that motherboard
In all seriousness,unless the board has heatsinks on the VRM's,you risk blowing up the board with a 125W. CPU.
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look around the fourms

I've seen amd 955/965s going for $90

and amd 945s going for $70
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the 5770 fan clicking is an eaasssyyy fix btw.

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I actually happen to play Far Cry 2 a lot lately, though I don't own Crysis. I will say that with my 1090T I never dip below 60fps (except if I light the whole map on fire) with settings max'd at 1080p with v-synch on. I seriously doubt my Athlon II would be much different, but I might just try it and find out. Good find on that Anand test though, although 2.8GHZ

Edit: According to that bench tool, even the lowly 2.3GHZ Athlon II 605e is pretty good in those games
I wanted to compare the Athlon vs the Phenom at the same clockspeed, so the best I could match was at 2.8 Ghz. Does give an indication of relative performance though.

Well the Athlon II 605e does take a 10 fps hit against the Phenom II 920. At those values (33.1 fps vs 43.3 fps) I wouldn't feel confident upping the quality settings or with newer games coming out this year (BC3, COD MW3, Crysis with DX11 patch, etc). Especially as those bench values don't show the minimum framerates, which are the most likely to take a hit with that CPU.
 
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Inb4 XD says not to overclock a 125w processor on that motherboard
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In all seriousness,unless the board has heatsinks on the VRM's,you risk blowing up the board with a 125W. CPU.
It is a 4+1 VRM design, that's true, but it states it can handle 140w CPU's. Given he bought a Phenom II X4 965 125w, he should be fine at stock with the HD5770 or even with Crossfire HD5770 like I suggested. Even if he needs some overclock, he should be able to get around 3.8 Ghz at stock or with little added voltage. That should still be safe.
 
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This is a visibly very low quality 4+1 design, you can see by the 3-transitor design and the use of only a single solid cap on each phase (instead of two as usual). ASRock overrates a lot of their low end boards, I can name at least one of their 2+1 phase designs that they apparently consider 125W ready (more like walking straight of a cliff). For safest operation I am not recommending anything higher than 95W / Athlon II x4. If you are planning to run a Phenom II x4 with 125W, I would recommend staying at stock speed and using the stock cooler and NOT deviating from either of these. Otherwise I would recommend taking the voltage, cranking it down a serious amount, and if the clock speed must go down as well then bring it down too. Any overclock or overvolt would likely be suicide especially if on aftermarket CPU cooling which removes VRM cooling.
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Phenom 955/965 is a good upgrade, I have recently upgraded from an Athlon II 240 to a Phenom 955, the increase in performance was dramatic. It's definitely worth getting the phenom over the athlon x4 too, games really use the L3 cache.

Here is a good guide about the difference between the Athlon II & Phenom II
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ache,2416.html
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If I may say so I think ASRock's marketing is absolutely ridiculous.
An earlier member has said that ASRock claims this board is capable of Triple Crossfire X. This is a lie. This is not the first, not even the second, but the third time I have seen ASRock false marketing CrossfireX capability. The other times it happened involved ASRock 770 and 870 chipset boards, which are in no way capable of 8x-8x. AMD says it themself, the only CrossfireX capability the 780G chipset is capable of is Hybrid CrossfireX with the HD 3200 IGP.

If you're going to try to CrossfireX your cards on this mobo, do not expect it to work properly.

They are doing this, they are severely overrating undercapable boards. Except for newer & higher quality motherboard releases, I would not put my trust on ASRock's boards of being capable of doing what they are advertised for. This includes CrossfireX capability and safely being able to run a processor of high TDP.
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If I may say so I think ASRock's marketing is absolutely ridiculous.
An earlier member has said that ASRock claims this board is capable of Triple Crossfire X. This is a lie. This is not the first, not even the second, but the third time I have seen ASRock false marketing CrossfireX capability. The other times it happened involved ASRock 770 and 870 chipset boards, which are in no way capable of 8x-8x. AMD says it themself, the only CrossfireX capability the 780G chipset is capable of is Hybrid CrossfireX with the HD 3200 IGP.

If you're going to try to CrossfireX your cards on this mobo, do not expect it to work properly.

They are doing this, they are severely overrating undercapable boards. Except for newer & higher quality motherboard releases, I would not put my trust on ASRock's boards of being capable of doing what they are advertised for. This includes CrossfireX capability and safely being able to run a processor of high TDP.

I think you are being a little pessimistic here. I have an AsRock 775Dual-VSTA and I can tell you they severely underrated the capabilities of that board (along with the Quad Core capable 4Core version). They said the chipset didn't support EIST, the guys at PCTreiber gave it back to us. They said you could only use 2GB of RAM, PCTreiber gave us the max the chipset allowed - 3.25GB, they said CPU fan had to spin almost at max regardless of you setting it otherwise, PCTreiber gave us back fine tuning. I installed those modded bios'es and they do work! I have read countless posts of people all over the web still using those boards two, three years after they came out. Some people are even running HD57xx Radeons on them!

As to this particular board, the CPU support list even includes the Phenom II X4 970. I doubt that if they had a big failure rate, they wouldn't even certify higher clocked chips at all. As to CrossfireX, well, the Tri CrossfireX is admittedly a joke, as the PCIe slot running at 4x probably is running at PCIe 1.1 (although they don't say it anywhere, but it's usually the case with other boards of this price).

As to CrossfireX, they even provide that slot with that stick you have to flip in order to get 8x / 8x. If it was a software/firmware problem I'd understand, but why would they go to this trouble to get a mechanical interface in there if it didn't even work ? Can you point me to some forum thread where users are complaining it doesn't work on this board ? Now I'm curious.
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