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Well a 9600GT is more than enough.

Go with that.
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allright decide to go with a e8400 cpu didnt win the p4 extreme.
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Pentium 4?! why? this thing is slow, even for a Geforce 7 I would recommend something better, even something like a cheap Celeron e3300 is MUCH, MUCH better,
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I would guess around a GeForce 79xx, GeForce 8600 GT/GTS, and Radeon X19xx are about as high as I'd pair with a fast Pentium 4 and not expect significant bottlenecking mostly across the board. A GeForce 8800GT and similar really needs an Athlon 64/X2 minimum, or a Core 2 type CPU (or better of course) ideally. I remember some tests some sites did back then showing the Pentium 4 just didn't handle those cards well at all.

The GeForce 6800 GS AGP was about a balanced video card for my old Pentium 4 2.8GHz Northwood w/Hyper-threading. Some games were CPU bound and some were GPU bound, but it felt like an okay match. I felt a little more GPU power (like a GeForce 7600GT) would be welcome, but too much more would be waste. Games back in the earlier DirectX 9 era were probably a bit more CPU picky than these days, so there's little point pairing a GeForce 8800GT with one, even for older games. I've tried a Pentium 4 641 @4.5GHz and it still bottlenecked my previous GeForce 8800GT OC quite badly in games.
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Well ... if you've got the 4GB already laying around gathering dust, there's no reason to NOT use 'em. You can still address 3.25MB with XP 32-bit, so it's not like it's totally useless to have 4GB installed.

I'd say an 8800/9800GT is a reasonable match for a Pentium 4 processor, esp. for older games that were designed around the CPU's of their era. But in some gaming scenarios it'll be BN'ed, for sure.

Heck, there's some games that a P4 just isn't going to begin to cut it, no matter what GPU you use. GTAIV and BFBC2 come immediately to mind. And I bet Crysis would be unlikely to run well on a P4 unless you play on Low (using a lower preset in Crysis seems to lower the CPU load as well as the gfx load).
Completely agree on the 4GB of RAM. If it's 2 x 2 GB or 4 x 1, there's not reason to not put in the whole 4GB even if part isn't used. If, however you've got 512MB sticks in the mix you could safely go 2x 1 GB + 2 x 512MB for a total of 3GB and that would be just fine.


Yes, the P4, even the extreme edition is going to be the bottleneck in the system. A card like the (see below)


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Well a 9600GT is more than enough.

Go with that.
9600GT is more than enough, completely agree!


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no i dont plan on running any bbc2 or gta iv. i just nedd this for some doom 3 quake 4 you know games from 2000 era up until 2006-2007

You'll be fine.


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allright decide to go with a e8400 cpu didnt win the p4 extreme.
Now THAT changes things a LITTLE BIT!

In that case I would suggest a Radeon HD5850 Extreme from Sappire if you can find one for sale, They are clearing stock and it's a great value card with the performance to match your E8400.


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I would guess around a GeForce 79xx, GeForce 8600 GT/GTS, and Radeon X19xx are about as high as I'd pair with a fast Pentium 4 and not expect significant bottlenecking mostly across the board. A GeForce 8800GT and similar really needs an Athlon 64/X2 minimum, or a Core 2 type CPU (or better of course) ideally. I remember some tests some sites did back then showing the Pentium 4 just didn't handle those cards well at all.

The GeForce 6800 GS AGP was about a balanced video card for my old Pentium 4 2.8GHz Northwood w/Hyper-threading. Some games were CPU bound and some were GPU bound, but it felt like an okay match. I felt a little more GPU power (like a GeForce 7600GT) would be welcome, but too much more would be waste. Games back in the earlier DirectX 9 era were probably a bit more CPU picky than these days, so there's little point pairing a GeForce 8800GT with one, even for older games. I've tried a Pentium 4 641 @4.5GHz and it still bottlenecked my previous GeForce 8800GT OC quite badly in games.
You can still get some performance from newer cards, even with a P4. I was able to get 2x AA in Crysis and High Shaders using the HD4650 with the P4 3.4 Ghz. Of course everything that is CPU related is in Low settings. But it's still nice to be able to get AA and AF maxed out in older games.

I couldn't max AA and AF in Half-Life 2 with the Radeon X1950 Pro. In fact I got stuttering, even in some areas even with no AA or AF. It would come down from 60fps down to the 20's. I thought it was an obvious CPU bottleneck, but it wasn't, it was the GPU. With the Radeon HD4650 I don't have those problems. There is still a bit of a dip sometimes, but not even close. And I'm using much higher AA and AF settings. Perhaps the X19xx series relied more on the CPU to do something, or just don't have the power to handle the game maxed out (and newer cards are better at AA and AF too).
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allright decide to go with a e8400 cpu didnt win the p4 extreme.
I would still get a 9800gt or 8800gts (640mb version), the c2d will surely be able to utilize cards full potential.
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allright decide to go with a e8400 cpu didnt win the p4 extreme.
Good choice, the E8400 is a lot better...
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I would still get a 9800gt or 8800gts (640mb version), the c2d will surely be able to utilize cards full potential.
Don't you mean the 8800GTS 512mb ?

The original 8800GTS is slower than the 8800GT/9800GT, it only has 96 shaders instead if the 8800GTS 512MB's 128 shaders. Besides, it is manufactured in 80nm tech, it uses a lot of power for what it does.

I would go little higher than the 8800GT. Having owned both the E8400 and an 8800GT, the CPU still has a bit of room to grow. Now that you are buying a better CPU you might change your mind and also want to play newer titles. If you do, the HD5850 is where it's at, especially for the price. If not, the 8800GT/9800GT is a fine card for that CPU.
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The E8400 is on par with the Phenom II X2 just like the Q9550/9650 is on par with the Phenom II X4, and can overclock to 4.00GHz+ with ease, especially if it's an E0 stepping. You have more than enough CPU power now, and could put a much higher end GPU in your build if you wanted to.

And the 8800GT/9800GT beats the 8800GTS 96SP G80 cores, as it's G92 112SP.

For a budget spare build, I would go with a 5770/GTX260/GTS450 if you have the extra cash. They outperform the 8800/9800GT by a good margin. If you have a bit more than that to spend, then a 5850/GTX460 would be outstanding.
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for an overclocked e8400 you can think about a HD6850 (or that 5850 xtreme)... in some games maybe it will struggle a bit, but in general it will work nicely,

as for the P4 3.4ghz I would keep it bellow a 7600GT/x1650XT (Ok maybe a 7900/x1900)...
that generation of intel CPUs (netburst) have a really low IPC, and this is a single core...
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