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A new PSU is a given as I've said. This one was always meant to be handed on to the guy who's limping along on the PSU this one replaced. (For $13 based on a test & review of HEC it preforms exactly as well as I expect it to and don't mean to push it) I think this Mobo isn't ideal for OC significantly but I think it should be able to handle 3.6Ghz minimum and I'm working on 3.9. It's does 3.95 with the the BIOS 'SmartOC' stable (Mprime for 4hrs). What it doesn't do is get the RAM right at that so I'm playing with that and educating myself in the meantime. It's something I've tinkered with here and there a few times over the past year but I mean to get serious about it soon.

Because of that PSU however I haven't really wqanted to mess with OC much yet. It's only got a 4-pin for the proc anyway.

I know my guess is as good as anyone's so here's my specualtions:

$80 700w Brand PSU & 6950 w/ Twin Frozer III

Brings me in at just under my budget for the release of Battlefield.

After that I'm thinking of holding out for the 1100T when the bulldozer released which will fit nicely into this board (but probably won't OC much because of the mobo's limitations).

Whenever I can afford the next upgrade it'll be the mobo to OC the 1100 and make room for the bulldozer.

I really want the mobo to be the last thing because even though this one cheap it's still got potential to make it work and it can always hold this 720 again when that gets replaced. If I hold out long enough on the Mobo PCIE3.0 should provide me with max upgradability when it gets slapped into a good mid-range AM3+.
If you're upgrading your rig PURELY to play BF3, don't bother buying a GPU now for it (if you're buying it for other games as well, make sure the card's performance in those games is up to scratch with what you want performance-wise as well). Look at the GTX 480 which has more than halved in price since release, by the time BF3 is out Kepler will probably be around the corner from that release, which will drive the prices of current high-end cards even further down. I suggest you pick up a 580 for half the price then instead of buying a card now without knowing what it will run like, which almost guarantees disappointment.

Ignore what I said about your motherboard not being able to take the OC, I thought yours was one of those with 95W CPUs only support, now that I've looked up that yours can take 140W CPUs you will be just fine OC'ing your CPU on that board from the looks of things.
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We can infer that it will be more taxing than it's console-first pseudo-predecessor, BFBC2. Right? Obviously, as we've all seen the epic trailers & heard/read about design & engine development. I believe he was saying that the CPU in question was providing a limit with a 6970 tandem in BF: BC2. It's a reasonable extrapolation to predict, under the circumstances, an even more exaggerated result would develop from similar circumstances. That is, CPU limited in old engine..will be, all things equal, further handicapped in newer engine. Or am I just misunderstanding?

Speaking in absolutes may not be best in predictive analysis, but claims such as this are made none-the-less likely from semantics.
Actually, you can't infer anything.

You have no idea what optimizations that they're putting in this engine. If being better looking than BFBC2 disqualified it from running better on other hardware, we wouldn't have half of the games we have today.

In my opinion, Modern warfare 2 looks better than BFBC2 and it hardly taxes anything.

To say anything definite at this point in the game is an assumption, and you know what they say about those.
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Why are people still helping this ungrateful idiot? lol You get nice polite people asking for genuine help, and their lucky to get 3-5 replies alot of the time, and you get some muppet tossing off everyone who tries to answer him, and hes got 40+ replies lol, Its mental.
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Your x2 can't handle a 6950 and will bottleneck it end of discussion. You will loose 15-20% performance of that card. OC might net you 5-8% of that back.

Your best bet is to save all the money you can so when BF3 recommended specs come out. You then can focus on a new system build based on their recommendations.

It seems like your strapped for cash and also young, you dont need to rush. Wait it out and build a system at once. Getting piece by piece is more hassle and money than its worth.

Recommended specs for BF3 should be out by end of August or sometime in September. Just take that time to save more money and enjoy your summer.
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Why are people still helping this ungrateful idiot? lol You get nice polite people asking for genuine help, and their lucky to get 3-5 replies alot of the time, and you get some muppet tossing off everyone who tries to answer him, and hes got 40+ replies lol, Its mental.
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What's with all the pompous newer members here lately?

Chaksalami: Motive was giving you proper advice, why are you acting like a douche?

Oh, and nice power supply, tough guy - you might want to replace that.
No, he wasn't giving proper advice. He wasn't even giving advice. He was just being a snide hardware elitist. Anthraxinsoup is pretending to know **** about hardware performance on game whose minimum requirements haven't even been released.

I'm really not so much of an AMD 'fanboy' as my wallet is. I'm just making a self-effacing joke about being poor and this guy comes off snide and derisive but I'm the ***Hole? lol okay...I'll uh...work on that. I do read way too much into things and have an odd sense of humor that I don't exempt myself from. He could have said all the same useless stuff but if he'd have had a sense of humor about it (even maintaining that elitist hardware snobbery) I'd have laughed!

Incidetally, I'm not ungrateful. Several people have left me very helpful perspectives and I've thanked them both in thread and with rep. THis thread has given me a lot to think about and thus far this is what I've gathered (correct me if I'm wrong!):

#1 my tri-core will stack nicely against a 6950 if overclocked.
#2 Overclocking/Unlocking the GPU might not see a benefit.
#3 I like excessive cooling So I'm still keeping my eye on that twin frozr III to run it super cool while creating future OC potential with a CPU upgrade
#4 I need a new PSU (but I knew that when I bought this one thanks!)
#5 It's gonna take a while for me to integrate to OCN community with my odd personality defects. Nothing I haven't dealt with before.

So I apologise if I've inadvertently offended anyone. I'm on a budget and I'm not a kid (I'm 28). So I'm very cautious about what I throw down on a major upgrade. It's why I'm here kind of throwing out there what I'm thinking about doing with what got to get some feedback about hardware. More about hardware and less about BF3 though BF3 will be 1 of two games. THe other is Alice which shouldn't be nearly as demanding as BF3 but now that you mention it I would like to be sure that game can max itself out but 60FPS stable minimum isn't as critical to achieve there because it isn't a MP FPS. I just want all the eye candy and don't mind sacrificing a few FPS to get it (30 would be fine).

I'm consigned to the probability that with this rig I probably won't max out BF3. I'm believing I should get away with minimal sacrifices to attain 60FPS stable in 1080p.

If the 6950/70 turns out to handle the game like a breeze and I do find myself significantly bottlenecked then a thuban is both within the specs of my mobo (even if it won't be much OC'd) and will be fully utilised by BF3 (Rumor is it will Support up to 8 threads or cores).

I do intend to watch prices. The Kepler being released near BF3 is news to me though. I thought next gen GPus weren't going to be here before Q2 2012. A reference to that would be helpful I would like to get a handle on what to expect from the market between now and august.

Am I missing something?

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Your x2 can't handle a 6950 and will bottleneck it end of discussion. You will loose 15-20% performance of that card. OC might net you 5-8% of that back.
It's an X3 not an X2 so by that I should infer it will be spot on?
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No, he wasn't giving proper advice. He wasn't even giving advice. He was just being a snide hardware elitist.
I was? Man. I thought it was because I got the sub forum threads mixed up, admitted it, and dropped my case.

But ok.


/elitist now?
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No, he wasn't giving proper advice. He wasn't even giving advice. He was just being a snide hardware elitist. Anthraxinsoup is pretending to know **** about hardware performance on game whose minimum requirements haven't even been released.

I'm really not so much of an AMD 'fanboy' as my wallet is. I'm just making a self-effacing joke about being poor and this guy comes off snide and derisive but I'm the ***Hole? lol okay...I'll uh...work on that. I do read way too much into things and have an odd sense of humor that I don't exempt myself from. He could have said all the same useless stuff but if he'd have had a sense of humor about it (even maintaining that elitist hardware snobbery) I'd have laughed!

Incidetally, I'm not ungrateful. Several people have left me very helpful perspectives and I've thanked them both in thread and with rep. THis thread has given me a lot to think about and thus far this is what I've gathered (correct me if I'm wrong!):

#1 my tri-core will stack nicely against a 6950 if overclocked.
#2 Overclocking/Unlocking the GPU might not see a benefit.
#3 I like excessive cooling So I'm still keeping my eye on that twin frozr III to run it super cool while creating future OC potential with a CPU upgrade
#4 I need a new PSU (but I knew that when I bought this one thanks!)
#5 It's gonna take a while for me to integrate to OCN community with my odd personality defects. Nothing I haven't dealt with before.

So I apologise if I've inadvertently offended anyone. I'm on a budget and I'm not a kid (I'm 28). So I'm very cautious about what I throw down on a major upgrade. It's why I'm here kind of throwing out there what I'm thinking about doing with what got to get some feedback about hardware. More about hardware and less about BF3 though BF3 will be 1 of two games. THe other is Alice which shouldn't be nearly as demanding as BF3 but now that you mention it I would like to be sure that game can max itself out but 60FPS stable minimum isn't as critical to achieve there because it isn't a MP FPS. I just want all the eye candy and don't mind sacrificing a few FPS to get it (30 would be fine).

I'm consigned to the probability that with this rig I probably won't max out BF3. I'm believing I should get away with minimal sacrifices to attain 60FPS stable in 1080p.

If the 6950/70 turns out to handle the game like a breeze and I do find myself significantly bottlenecked then a thuban is both within the specs of my mobo (even if it won't be much OC'd) and will be fully utilised by BF3 (Rumor is it will Support up to 8 threads or cores).

I do intend to watch prices. The Kepler being released near BF3 is news to me though. I thought next gen GPus weren't going to be here before Q2 2012. A reference to that would be helpful I would like to get a handle on what to expect from the market between now and august.

Am I missing something?


It's an X3 not an X2 so by that I should infer it will be spot on?
I do know what I'm talking about, a 3 core will bottleneck a 6950, hell my 955 bottlenecked it when it was at 1GHz core. The game will run on a 580 at max settings.
    
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OP,

If I were you I would put a little more money on the PSU...honestly...think of it as the "foundation" of your rig for the next few years...$80 isn't cutting it in my opinion...$110-$120 would be better...a good 750 or 850 watts...80 plus SILVER...soemthing that you'll keep for years...good choice on a MSI Twin frozr cooler....great cards...

A 6950 SHOULD be fine for BF3, even tho we don't know yet. EA won't alienate it's fan base by putting a CRYSIS (1) to market...(and force too many people to upgrade), but that being said, BFBC2 was demanding when it came out...especially when drivers weren't optimized and game patches weren't out yet...so BF3, with it's new Frostbite engine, will be a beauty (my guess)...you should be getting 60 FPS at 1080P at med-high settings...but it's a guess....

Anyway, you're getting good advices...for the 720 X3, well, not a powerhouse anymore, but a good little gaming CPU I guess..

If you feel like waiting a little bit, you might get the opportunity to grab a newer generation card...who knows...
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So I plan on playing Battlefield 3 and I want the the most eye candy my system can handle for a GPU+PSU upgrade.

I'm wondering how bottlenecked my mobo/CPU are in terms of getting an MSI 6950 w/ a TFIII and if trying to unlock & overclock it would be pushing it. If so, what are my options in a GPU upgrade? Obviously whatever goes in is going to require a PSU upgrade which is fine because I have someone I plan to hand this one off to who has an older system that it's perfect for (and desperately needs a new PSU since they're running the one THIS one replaced! LOL)


In terms of overclocking my CPU...

I've gotten 3.95Ghz stable with SmartOC with RAM speed reduction which seems to be the experience others have had with this mobo but I'm convinced it's because I haven't taken the time to find the right settings. The mobo and RAM are rated to 1600mhz but setting that fails. All that is for another topic sometime but just kind of letting you know where I'm at with OC so far. Also, CPU will not unlock.

CPU/mobo upgrades aren't possible for at least a year but part of the reason I'm wanting this 6950 is so I can crossfire after grabbing a Bulldozer to stay budget but up to date. Next on the budget is an SSD & mobile platform (Dell Inspiron DUO - wish it or something similar came with a Neo :/) and all that after some other unrelated expenses so I'm looking at tackling BF3 as best as possible while trying to stay future proof along that agenda.

Any comments/suggestions welcome on all aspects as long as they favor AMD. Thanks in advance!

AMD Fanboy forever here.
On the CPU side of things, we honestly don't know, given how BFBC2 for PC was ported from the PS3 version, and we all know the PS3 has an epic processor, that's probably the reason why BFBC2 for PC is so freaking CPU dependent.

Having said that, I think it's fair to assume that BF3 will require even more CPU power than BFBC2. Why? here's why:

- Even more destruction/micro-destruction.
- Same audio processing technique (will allocate one core/thread for audio processing just like BFBC2.
- Frostbite 2 will take advantage of DX11's Multi-threaded rendering (already confirmed by DICE's rendering architect).

Regarding GPU, the GTX 580 seems like the card to get.

All the fault lines videos were played/rendered on a GTX 580 powered system (confirmed by DICE's rendering architect as well).

Plus look at what they're using over there:

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The GTX 580 would be a great choice, but you could also get a 6970 with a nice aftermarket cooler if you prefer silence over performance. Either will be fine, and I recommend the GELID ICY vision cooler(see sig for videos)
    
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