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So earlier I was pretty set on buying three Spinpoint F4s for a Raid 5 array, but now I'm having second thoughts. The Deskstar 5k3000's are cheaper ($10 rebate per drive) and appear to perform around the same. From what I've read though, the Spinpoint F4s appear more reliable since the Deskstars appear to have high failure rates. That said, the Spinpoints may have their faults too if the firmware is older, but from what I've read I can simply update it and the drives manufactured after November of 2010 have the latest firmware anyway.

Furthermore both have the same three year warranty. The only issue I can think of is that Samsung's HDD division has been purchased by Seagate so it's possible that the RMA department might replace any of my dead drives with Seagate drives in the future, which, being of a different model could cause issues when being brought into the array.

So I'm torn here really. What do you guys think?
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FYI, Hitachi has been making some of the most reliable drives on the market now, so it really depends on your preference.

If it were me, I would go with Samsung cause I already own 2 of them, and they are great.
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samsung...
i have one.. works perfect
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Deskstar...
I have two. They've been good so far.
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The 2TB F4's are slower drives than the Hitachi 753000's. Heck, they don't even perform as well as the older Hitachi 7k2000's. The only high performance F4's are the 320giggers. The 2TB F4's are basically green drives, but they are the best performing green drives available.

As stand alone drives the 2TB F4's are excellent drives, but they aren't in the same class as the Hitachi 7K2000 or 7K3000 when it comes to performance or when used in a raid array.

I have two of the 7K2000s and two of the F4's (one 320 and one 2tb). The oldest Hitachi is 18 months old and the newest is 12 months old. Both have better SMART Status results than the 6 month old 2TB F4 and much better than the 9 month old 320 F4.

With all of that in mind I would go with the Hitachi's.
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf;13436439 
The 2TB F4's are slower drives than the Hitachi 753000's. Heck, they don't even perform as well as the older Hitachi 7k2000's. The only high performance F4's are the 320giggers. The 2TB F4's are basically green drives, but they are the best performing green drives available.

As stand alone drives the 2TB F4's are excellent drives, but they aren't in the same class as the Hitachi 7K2000 or 7K3000 when it comes to performance or when used in a raid array.

I have two of the 7K2000s and two of the F4's (one 320 and one 2tb). The oldest Hitachi is 18 months old and the newest is 12 months old. Both have better SMART Status results than the 6 month old 2TB F4 and much better than the 9 month old 320 F4.

With all of that in mind I would go with the Hitachi's.
The 7k3000's are more expensive, I was asking about the 5k3000's.
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im in similar boat that your in, i was thinking if i should get the samsung f4's for my raid 5 (except i was going to get 4) since , as you said, seagate bought that part of samsung. I ended up choosing that samsungs, from what i read it has a pretty high reliability rate and seeing that prices keep going down on mech hdds im guessing by the time the f4s fail that hdd will be cheap enough to start considering other options or just rebuild the raid array with new hdds.
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I would still go with the Hitachi's. And don't forget that Western Digital bought Hitachi so the same RMA problems could arise from that takeover, but I doubt it.

And what reliability reports are you using? If it's the ones on Newegg they are bogus at best. Way too many people who don't know their butts from a hole in the ground posting utter nonsense.

You can use ANY drive from ANY manufacturer as long as it's the same size or larger to replace a drive in that raid array. But be warned that NEITHER of these drives are designed for running in a raid array like an Enterprise Class drive is so which ever you choose you stand a higher chance of failure than you will with drives designed to run in a Raid array.
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf;13436623 
I would still go with the Hitachi's. And don't forget that Western Digital bought Hitachi so the same RMA problems could arise from that takeover, but I doubt it.

And what reliability reports are you using? If it's the ones on Newegg they are bogus at best. Way too many people who don't know their butts from a hole in the ground posting utter nonsense.

You can use ANY drive from ANY manufacturer as long as it's the same size or larger to replace a drive in that raid array. But be warned that NEITHER of these drives are designed for running in a raid array like an Enterprise Class drive is so which ever you choose you stand a higher chance of failure than you will with drives designed to run in a Raid array.
I did come to the conclusion from Newegg but that was because in comparison there were significantly more reviews claiming the Hitachi drives failed than the Samsung drives. That said since the Hitachi drives are cheaper and there's no defining factor here that makes one drive superior to the other, be it in performance or reliability, I'm inclined to go with the Hitachi drives at the moment.

And I would buy more expensive drives if I felt it was warranted. I don't need the performance of 7200RPM drives, and given that the cheaper drives are backed under the same warranty the more expensive drives are I would assume there isn't a huge disparity in reliability. Although I am curious what makes a drive more suitable for raid than another drive. From my understanding raid does not increase/decrease the risk of failure of a drive.
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It has to do with timing. Raid drives are configured differently so they don't time out of a request and drop out of the raid array. Consumer level drives aren't configured that way and routinely drop out of arrays due to their firmware programing. Western Digitals are extremely prone to this.

And enterprise level drives use heavier duty components than consumer level drives do. They tend to last longer, have lower failure rates, and longer warranties. That's why they cost more. It's like comparing a 1/2 ton pickup to a 1 tom pickup. The 1 ton has heavier suspension and can haul bigger loads for a longer period of time than the 1/2 can. That means one needs to get the proper tool (in this case hard drive) for the situation. People who try to run consumer level drives in raid arrays are only asking for problems and failures.
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