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I'll start by saying that I am just awful at everything concerning networks and am hesitant to tamper with anything for fear that I'll lose my internet connection completely, but I figure someone out there (you guys ) has to know what they're doing, right?

I have my main rig hooked up to my router via ethernet and have my (and the roomate's) laptop hooked up to the wireless network. It'd be awesome if I could create a homegroup so we could share files from the desktop to the laptops, but unfortunately they're on different networks (wired and wireless networks have different names and from looking at the "Device Info" page of my D-Link router, they definitely appear to be different networks).

Is there a way to connect these two networks with my current DIR-655? Idiot proof instructions would be preferable
post #2 of 17
So what your saying is you are all connected to the same router but are all on different networks? Or you are connected to one router via wired and the others are connected to a diffferent wireless router?

Are you all in the same workgroup?
post #3 of 17
You should be lumped into the same subnet by default and should automatically be able to set this up.

Wireless AP on a consumer router actually hangs off of the switch internally. The only real difference between using wired and wireless from the same router is the layer 1 connectivity (physical). Layers 2 through 7 operate in exactly the same fashion through both, therefore after you authenticate to the network wirelessly, you will be able to have the exact same resources and features available as if you were connected by wire.
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You should be lumped into the same subnet by default and should automatically be able to set this up.

Wireless AP on a consumer router actually hangs off of the switch internally. The only real difference between using wired and wireless from the same router is the layer 1 connectivity (physical). Layers 2 through 7 operate in exactly the same fashion through both, therefore after you authenticate to the network wirelessly, you will be able to have the exact same resources and features available as if you were connected by wire.
yep you are a networking nut. i don't think Ive seen anyone bring in the osi model when explaining stuff on these forums.

@op

It will make it easier if you do clarify your networking set up. lets start with the where you get your internet from.

lets assume (yea i said assume) you have a cable/dsl modem in your house. first i would like to know is . does this said modem connect to anything else? what does it connect too?

secondly is your friend connected to this same very modem?

next i would like to see what your i.p. information is. if you do not feel comfortable posting this in a public place then you can PM me the info. to find this out what you can do is.

Click the windows pearl/orb/start button on the bottom left corner. When it opens in the search or run section i want you to type in CMD and then press your enter key.

This will pop open a dos box. in the box i want you to type ipconfig and then press enter. you should see something like this

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Windows IP Configuration


Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::a0f2:91f9:c7b6:d8ee%12
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.50.100 \\
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . ... : 255.255.255.0 |---THIS IS WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR!!!!!
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . .. : 192.168.50.5 /

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Ethernet adapter VirtualBox Host-Only Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::d91:2516:4335:f83d%19
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.56.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Tunnel adapter isatap.tampabay.rr.com:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Tunnel adapter isatap.{5BF5F549-248E-478D-838E-82B564A38007}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :


Do the same on your friends laptop. you want to make sure the first 3 octets match and that your on the same network as each other. Once we can verifiy your networking setup and that you are indeed on the same subnet then we can take the next steps.

if you are on not on the same network its not an issue. you can set up a VPN or something else to get you all sharing and connected to each other.

Dont let networking appear to be a huge monster of mystery its really simple once its broken down into small parts and sections.\\

BTW are all the machines running windows 7 or is it a mixed setup ?
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So what your saying is you are all connected to the same router but are all on different networks? Or you are connected to one router via wired and the others are connected to a diffferent wireless router?

Are you all in the same workgroup?
Well all the computers are connected to the same router. The problem is that the wireless network is separate from the ethernet network. They're both coming from the same router though and I didn't purposefully create two separate networks so it seems like it was a default setting.

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Originally Posted by beers View Post
You should be lumped into the same subnet by default and should automatically be able to set this up.

Wireless AP on a consumer router actually hangs off of the switch internally. The only real difference between using wired and wireless from the same router is the layer 1 connectivity (physical). Layers 2 through 7 operate in exactly the same fashion through both, therefore after you authenticate to the network wirelessly, you will be able to have the exact same resources and features available as if you were connected by wire.
If I'm understanding this (and I can't promise that I am) it sounds like you're telling me that they should be all in the same network...but it doesn't appear that they are. As previously stated, the networks have different names and I can't find the laptop on the desktop and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Trippen Out View Post
yep you are a networking nut. i don't think Ive seen anyone bring in the osi model when explaining stuff on these forums.

@op

It will make it easier if you do clarify your networking set up. lets start with the where you get your internet from.

lets assume (yea i said assume) you have a cable/dsl modem in your house. first i would like to know is . does this said modem connect to anything else? what does it connect too?

secondly is your friend connected to this same very modem?

next i would like to see what your i.p. information is. if you do not feel comfortable posting this in a public place then you can PM me the info. to find this out what you can do is.

Click the windows pearl/orb/start button on the bottom left corner. When it opens in the search or run section i want you to type in CMD and then press your enter key.

This will pop open a dos box. in the box i want you to type ipconfig and then press enter. you should see something like this

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Windows IP Configuration


Wireless LAN adapter Wireless Network Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::a0f2:91f9:c7b6:d8ee%12
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.50.100 \\
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . ... : 255.255.255.0 |---THIS IS WHAT YOUR LOOKING FOR!!!!!
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . .. : 192.168.50.5 /

Ethernet adapter Bluetooth Network Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Ethernet adapter VirtualBox Host-Only Network:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::d91:2516:4335:f83d%19
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.56.1
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

Tunnel adapter isatap.tampabay.rr.com:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Tunnel adapter isatap.{5BF5F549-248E-478D-838E-82B564A38007}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :


Do the same on your friends laptop. you want to make sure the first 3 octets match and that your on the same network as each other. Once we can verifiy your networking setup and that you are indeed on the same subnet then we can take the next steps.

if you are on not on the same network its not an issue. you can set up a VPN or something else to get you all sharing and connected to each other.

Dont let networking appear to be a huge monster of mystery its really simple once its broken down into small parts and sections.\\

BTW are all the machines running windows 7 or is it a mixed setup ?
Ok so the modem is plugged into the router. The router is plugged into my desktop and the laptops are connected to the wireless signal from the same router. So technically we're all connected to the same router but I suppose on different networks.

The laptops have the same octets, but the desktop has
fe80::19a:5dec:812f:aa6f%12 before the line
192.168.0.1 for the Default Gateway
(ie.
Default Gateway.............fe80::19a:5dec:812f:aa6f%12
192.168.0.1
)
All computers (connected to the router via wireless and ethernet) have a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0
Do you need all the other stuff too?

Haha thanks, we'll see. If this goes smoothly I'll probably be less intimidated by the process, I've just had some bad experiences wherein it seems something just won't work.
All computers now are using Win7 though next semester a Mac should be coming so I may wind up returning with more questions at that point
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If I'm understanding this (and I can't promise that I am) it sounds like you're telling me that they should be all in the same network...but it doesn't appear that they are. As previously stated, the networks have different names and I can't find the laptop on the desktop and vice versa.
Network 'name' on wired isn't necessarily going to be the same as wireless, as there is no SSID in a wired environment. Wireless names exist so you can differentiate networks in your general vicinity.

The fact that your desktop has an IPv6 address isn't really relevant here. If you look at the IPv4 address on both machines they should contain the first 3 octets being the same (192.168.0.x) since your subnet mask is for a class C (255.255.255.0). If this is the case for both devices, they are on the same network/subnet.
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post #7 of 17
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Ah ok,
it appears that I misspoke then.
The IPv4 Address for the laptop (at least the one that I'm currently looking at) is 192.168.0.198 while the IPv4 for the desktop is 192.168.0.199

Also I'm not actually sure what you guys mean by the first three octets. The only octet I see is under the default gateway...sorry I'm sure it's just my lack of knowledge here
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Ah ok,
it appears that I misspoke then.
The IPv4 Address for the laptop (at least the one that I'm currently looking at) is 192.168.0.198 while the IPv4 for the desktop is 192.168.0.199

Also I'm not actually sure what you guys mean by the first three octets. The only octet I see is under the default gateway...sorry I'm sure it's just my lack of knowledge here

yes you all are on the same network. you can tell because they share the 192.168.0.xxx for the ip address. are all of the computers running windows 7. or is there any XP involved. i ask because windows 7 uses homegroups and windows xp used workgroups. what i would do if i were you is on the windows 7 machine thats connected to the lan. your machine im guessing. is setup a homegroup to use.

    
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yes you all are on the same network. you can tell because they share the 192.168.0.xxx for the ip address. are all of the computers running windows 7. or is there any XP involved. i ask because windows 7 uses homegroups and windows xp used workgroups. what i would do if i were you is on the windows 7 machine thats connected to the lan. your machine im guessing. is setup a homegroup to use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEI2dQPODrQ
No it's all 7, no XP.

See that's my problem. I can create a homegroup just fine, but when I try to join the homegroup on another machine I just get the "Create homegroup" option, not the "Join homegroup" option.
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On your main machine go to "My computer" then down the hand side click on "network" and see if you can see the computers this way. If not it is possible that comptuer on the network have network discovery turned off. To check this go to

Start > Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center > Change Advanced Settings (top left of the window)

In here check that all the computers have "Turn on network dicovery" turn on and make sure at teh top of that window it says "Home or Work" which means you are on a private network and are able to share.

Another problem might be if that does not work is that you are not on a private network and possibly selected public network when first connecting. (by the way, these steps apply to all the computers, check for each one)

To check what type fo network you are on go to:

Start > Control Panel > Network and Sharing Center

Under where it says "View your active networks" there should be an icon of a house meaning your on a private network, if not click the network name which is a link beside the icon and change it. Again all these steps apply for all the computers that want to share together.

let us know if this helped at all
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