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I like diagram 1, but wouldn't the top fan in diagram 2 push some hot air down?
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After seeing your proposed airflow diagram, I would suggest not using that front top fan. All it will do is vent cool air from the intake fans before they even reach any of your components. Here are two ways of doing it:

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Originally Posted by kaznai;13454071 
I see. You're right. I've been checking some of the other websites and it's all pretty much the same or worse.
Hah, yeah the trip definitely wouldn't be worth the tradeoff unless someone else is driving. Especially just for a couple fans and a heatsink. Shipping is mmuucchh more cost effective.

I still haven't made a solid choice on that front fan; if I can find a strong one cheaper than $17.15 (shipping included) then I can add the savings onto the heatsink budget. So far I've got approximately $45 max(I mean it, no fudging just a little bit more w/o having to wait 2 weeks for a paycheck) to Spend on a heatsink and fans to go on it, decent ones. Significantly shorter than 159mm too, don't forget. H50 could work if I know that I'm not going to break it anytime soon based on my usage scenario [refer to my last post].*

*Feel free to tell me I have nothing to worry about or tell my why I should worry.


Make sure to look at Koolertek, SVC, and Directron for fans at good prices.
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Edit: For 140s I also came up with this and this. I honestly don't know too much about either of the 3 brands, I've just seen the 'Shark' fan on here a time or two.
I don't need jet engine airflow up top, those are really just to pull the air up from the intakes below. Of course I could also just do the 1 as an intake thing; though I seriously need to get board temps down. I'll experiment with both unless I see some real numbers swaying me one way or the other.

One of our compadres got a BGears 140 and loves it. But I must say that 36dB is loud. The Masscool I covered in item 1 of my sig, and maybe item 4. Look both places. I'm becoming fond of Masscool products.

As for the Shark, check item 4 of my sig. I'm using the 120mm on its resistor wire in my 5.25 bay as a front LED intake. Nice, but still loud. I'll probably switch it to 5v. That's the problem with both Sharks: loud for the volume of air they push.
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Originally Posted by spaceballsrules;13454724 
After seeing your proposed airflow diagram, I would suggest not using that front top fan. All it will do is vent cool air from the intake fans before they even reach any of your components. Here are two ways of doing it:

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Originally Posted by BWG;13455193 
I like diagram 1, but wouldn't the top fan in diagram 2 push some hot air down?

No. It would push cool (unwarmed) air down for the cpu to ingest. People who switch from top exhaust to top intake see a 3-5c improvement in cpu temps.

The problem I have with top exhaust is that unless it's done carefully you will end up sending air that has been warmed by your mb into your cpu heatsink, compromising your cooling.

Really, I think that a 212+ with an additional CM Blade Master (purchased together, to save shipping cost) will work fine in your case. Or skip the additional Blade Master.
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As ehume said, if the front top fan is intaking air, it is all fresh ambient air. I saw a 4*C drop in CPU temps when I switched my top 2 exhausts to a single intake. I also switched the CPU cooler from a north-south orientation to east-west.
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Forgot he was using a heatsink! doh.gif

I like that then. He could cut a piece of cardboard (low budget), paint it, and stick it on the bottom of the heatsink fan and direct the air straight into the heatsink fan.?
 
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Originally Posted by spaceballsrules;13454724 
After seeing your proposed airflow diagram, I would suggest not using that front top fan. All it will do is vent cool air from the intake fans before they even reach any of your components...
Yeah, I get that. I honestly like diagram 1 better simply for the better balance between air in and air out.
My plan was to barely have the front out-fan on. Just enough to help pull the air up from the intakes below and help balance out in-case air pressure. I think I'm starting to come around now with all that's been said so far.
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Make sure to look at Koolertek, SVC, and Directron for fans at good prices.
Thanks! I forgot all about Koolertek, and this is the first I'm hearing of Directron.
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One of our compadres got a BGears 140 and loves it. But I must say that 36dB is loud. The Masscool I covered in item 1 of my sig, and maybe item 4. Look both places. I'm becoming fond of Masscool products.

As for the Shark, check item 4 of my sig. I'm using the 120mm on its resistor wire in my 5.25 bay as a front LED intake. Nice, but still loud. I'll probably switch it to 5v. That's the problem with both Sharks: loud for the volume of air they push.
Thank you. All of the threads I've been reading about the different fans out there have really made me concerned with the choices that I'm making. So few of them talk about 140s at all, really. It's also nice to hear a direct opinion. 36 does seem a little on the loud side; I'm getting a fan controller specifically to keep the noise down. I'd be doing some serious undervolting on these fans, so I'm not too worried about the max volume as long as it scales well. The sharks seemed like a good noise/airflow ratio compared to a lot of the other not-sleeve-bearing-but-still-fairly-inexpensive 140mm fans that I've seen. If you have something else to suggest, please do. That's why I'm here.
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...People who switch from top exhaust to top intake see a 3-5c improvement in cpu temps.

The problem I have with top exhaust is that unless it's done carefully you will end up sending air that has been warmed by your mb into your cpu heatsink, compromising your cooling.
That is a quite a notable temperature change, especially since I'm working with air.
I really would not have expected that the MB would heat the air that much. I am pretty concerned with getting some cool air to the board too though. the NB/SB temps like to hang out around 40°C.
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Really, I think that a 212+ with an additional CM Blade Master (purchased together, to save shipping cost) will work fine in your case. Or skip the additional Blade Master.
I'd love to be able to get a 212+ and call it a day. But like I said, it's too tall for my preference. I don't feel comfortable with it being that close to the side panel.
At this point I'm stuck looking at 92mm heatsinks, or a 120 that's a good degree shorter than 159mm. I can't seem to find any direct comparisons of smaller coolers though. sadsmiley.gif
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As ehume said, if the front top fan is intaking air, it is all fresh ambient air. I saw a 4*C drop in CPU temps when I switched my top 2 exhausts to a single intake. I also switched the CPU cooler from a north-south orientation to east-west.
More numbers! Excellent. A second source supporting the claim! Even better. A personal result! Awesome.
That's a pretty good improvement. Has this setup affected your board temps?
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...I like that then. He could cut a piece of cardboard (low budget), paint it, and stick it on the bottom of the heatsink fan and direct the air straight into the heatsink fan.?

I'm not sure if I quite get what you mean, but that gives me an idea. Just a theory, but I bet it could do some serious work. Excuse the illustration quality; I'm on the laptop. Here:
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Found this, and that seems like a decent roundup to me. I don't know how old their findings are though. Most of the heatsinks on the AMD Temperature top 5 are still available. A few are even in my price range. That seem like a fairly good list to go off of?

So far I like this one and this one. The first has 2 fan capability, so I could make it better than the stock one they reviewed. The second one I've seen around here quite a bit and it's cheaper, but I've got less improvement options. (I also think the second one looks a little... silly...) I'm sure I can find a way to work the first one into budget; I actually already have 2 fans around to use until I get some more good ones.

How are those choices? And I'd kind of like to hear some thoughts on my last diagram. Just curious to see if it'd be worth a try.
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The diagram looks good. thumb.gif
The Tuniq is an outdated design and doesn't perform as well as other choices would. It's still a decent cooler, but....
If you like the Zalman cooler, check out this one as well - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118059 Reviews have the Performa cooling within a few degrees of the Noctua NH-D14.
As for my mobo temps, they dropped from 40* to 34*. smile.gif
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The diagram looks good. thumb.gif
The Tuniq is an outdated design and doesn't perform as well as other choices would. It's still a decent cooler, but....
If you like the Zalman cooler, check out this one as well - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118059 Reviews have the Performa cooling within a few degrees of the Noctua NH-D14.
As for my mobo temps, they dropped from 40* to 34*. smile.gif
On my diagram-Now that I think of it, I'd have to find a way to keep the exhaust air from cycling back to the intake.
Awesome. It seems that cooler is just a degree less cool than the first one I listed, but it's $5 cheaper. May be an okay tradeoff. Bonus, rebates on both!
Problem with the Zalmans though. Their mounting system for AM3 would force me to mount either cooler North-South on my current board. Essentially taking air from across my graphics card and northbridge (2 hottest components). No backplate either; though I believe my board has better support than some. Unfortunately that means that the rebate would most likely just go towards something like this. If that does what I hope it would do.
[Edit: I found some reviews on the Flex that seem to suggest that it comes with a different AM3 mounting system. +1 for Flex.]
That's a great improvement on MB temps.
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I wouldn't trust frostytech "reviews" further than I can throw an elephant.
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I wouldn't trust frostytech "reviews" further than I can throw an elephant.

I see. Any specific problems with them? Are the CNPS10Xs at least good heatsinks?
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Phenom II X4 840@3.5GHz MSI 870-G45 Sapphire Radeon HD5770 1GB GDDR5 2x4G Kingston HyperX blu DDR3-1333 Unbuff'd DIMM 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
320GB Western Digital Caviar Blue 7200rpm HP dvd 1270i 24x w/ LightScribe Windows 7 Home Premium (64bit) & Ubuntu 10.10 27" Samsung 720p TV 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Sidewinder X4 Ultra LSX 750w NZXT M59 Logitech Gaming Mouse G500 
Mouse Pad
It's red 
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