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For those too "skurred" or too servered or too stuck in assumptions here's a really good first timer article from Linux.com

http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials...-in-the-making

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And, sure, at a point earlier in it's life, Slackware was thought of as a distribution used only for servers. My how things have changed. In fact, the installer allows for the installation of more desktops than any other distribution. So if the desktop is the name of the game, Slackware is up to the task. And oh boy is it up to the task. It's hard to say who shares the bulk of the credit, but a Slackware/KDE 4 desktop machine is about as rock-solid a machine as can be found. I was joking with a colleague of mine saying the Slackware desktop could be tossed into the road, run over by a few cars, and the thing would still work!
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Slackware has always been my favorite ever since I was introduced to it when I was 5.

I'll typically recommend it to anyone who wants to really learn what Linux is all about, but sadly, having to install and manage your own dependencies scares a lot of people off.
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Slackware has always been my favorite ever since I was introduced to it when I was 5.
Awesome! I wish I could say I was using it since I was a fetus but that would just be so wrong

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I'll typically recommend it to anyone who wants to really learn what Linux is all about, but sadly, having to install and manage your own dependencies scares a lot of people off.
Although I started with Mandrake (now Mandriva) I only ran it for a few months before a "dependency resolving system upgrade" borked XFree86 (forerunner of Xorg for n00bs) and thankfully back then even RedHat products were setup with proper Unix type runlevels so I could get to command line.

I learned and ran AitchX (substitute the 2nd letter of the alphabet for the 1st) cli IRC client and sought help on linux channels. All the leetest people seemed to be using Slack so I asked why and one response I will never forget

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I dunno... stuff just compiles right


That's what I wanted... something so vanilla it goes with everything without jumping through hoops. I was a n00b then and all Linux was way harder than it is now. I don't often do it because there are simpler alternatives, at least in getting started (the difficulties come later) but I really should recommend Slackware even for n00bs. It just isn't that hard and the payoff is huge.

I figure if you are 8 years old and still riding a plastic Hot Wheels, why bother "moving up" to a tricycle? Just get a real Mountain Bike.
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That's what's so great about Slackware, it's incredibly stable and it's about as close to "vanilla Linux" as you can get.

The only other distro I've ever liked as much as Slackware is Gentoo, and even then it's still 2nd to Slackware.
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i just brought my server comp up to 13.37, didn't really need too but something about that version number was calling to me at night

i honestly do like slackware, and i do wish i had more time to dedicate to running it for my main OS, but right now, trying to manage it and definately managing it as a multi-lib system is a lot of dedicated work...

i know i could streamline and take that work down to nothing with a few programs i could design and scripts, but finding the time to do that...so its circular atm

gentoo has to be my nemesis! if a OS could be a nemesis, i love the concept of gentoo, but i've never been able to run it...i get to the point of getting to a usuable desktop like kde or gnome, but then a switch in the compile flags for another program, ends of trashing the system or if i do a update world type thing! so for now, it will just remain as a "dream" of mine to be one day able to dedicate the time and energy to keep playing with it till i get it right
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I mean no offense to anyone I swear but I really have a hard time understanding why Gentoo is still being developed. It started as what seemed like a great idea but within a few years it became known that the expected speed gains just weren't there. Investment vs/ Return just did not play out. Hmmmm... maybe I should try it again since it has been like 5 years since I last ran it.

I also don't understand why people who have actually run it consider it to require a lot of management. In your case, Transhour, I can only surmise that is a somewhat misguided expectation coming from keeping it as a server only. I run 32 bit so I can't speak from experience about multilib management but I have read that Eric Hameleeers work in that area is "on Mt Olympus" an example of simply elegant code.

As for everything else I just shake my head because the growth of SlackBuilds has made it too easy if anything. I don't know anyone with more diverse interests than me and even really obscure apps seem to be available now as SlackBuilds. They make Slack essentially repository based like every other distro out there, just require/allow the user to decide which dependencies/optional add-ons get installed or removed instead of automatic en masse. The "baby" never gets "thrown out with the wash water" in Slack. Also as a direct extension of the biggest difference and advantage that Linux has over windoze, de-centralization (isolated, stand alone app run) the very worst thing that can happen if you miss or remove a dependency is that one program won't run. Priceless.

If you read that article it affirms that the recommended full install covers an amazing width of needs and desires. Extras adds even more and he doesn't even really get involved with SlackBuilds yet! I easily accept that Slack can not and will not be for everyone but I also know that many who don't even try it are just put off by what they believe to be a lot of work and a steep curve. That is simply a fallacy and I hope it fades like yesterday's newspapers and soon.

IMHO looking for another distro elsewhere is like moaning about gas prices and while you're at it what a drag it is to have to clean up that slippery black ooze in the back yard and Man! I wish the Sun was less intense so I didn't have to wear sunscreen all the time. (altho I do like the shades )

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Greetz
I mean no offense to anyone I swear but I really have a hard time understanding why Gentoo is still being developed. It started as what seemed like a great idea but within a few years it became known that the expected speed gains just weren't there. Investment vs/ Return just did not play out. Hmmmm... maybe I should try it again since it has been like 5 years since I last ran it.

I also don't understand why people who have actually run it consider it to require a lot of management. In your case, Transhour, I can only surmise that is a somewhat misguided expectation coming from keeping it as a server only. I run 32 bit so I can't speak from experience about multilib management but I have read that Eric Hameleeers work in that area is "on Mt Olympus" an example of simply elegant code.

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If you read that article it affirms that the recommended full install covers an amazing width of needs and desires. Extras adds even more and he doesn't even really get involved with SlackBuilds yet! I easily accept that Slack can not and will not be for everyone but I also know that many who don't even try it are just put off by what they believe to be a lot of work and a steep curve. That is simply a fallacy and I hope it fades like yesterday's newspapers and soon.

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ill be honest... i only read the first couple lines of your posts usually
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I'll stick to widows 7 personally. It does everything I need it to flawlessly...
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I'll stick to widows 7 personally. It does everything I need it to flawlessly...
i know right? from a hackers perspective its awesome! it lets you right in
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ill be honest... i only read the first couple lines of your posts usually
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That's cool. Can't please everyone. My words in this case weren't really important but did you follow the link THIS and read That?
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