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So I have a situation. I have a hyper 212+ on my CPU, my problem is, using the stock fan on my hyper 212, it is in a push configuration because my fan came pre-mounted in the push configuration and right now is sticking over my RAM slots. Because I have just received my 2 other sticks of ram today, I need to switch the blademaster fan from push to pull, however, I had wanted to have 2 fans on my heat sink for a push/pull configuration.

So my questions are:
1. Is it okay to have one blademaster and one thinner fan or is it better to have 2 of the same fans on a heat sink for push/pull

2. What fan(s) is recommended for the heat sink for a push/pull configuration?

3. I want to put a fan in the front of my case to draw in some air. What good 120mm fan would you recommend to put in the front of my fan?

4. THIS is the case that I have, if I were to replace the back fan as well, what fan would be good? I am assuming similar to the front fan?

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I'd say buy a good case, then think about cooling. Good cases are cheap.

With that case you can never build the silk purse you want. You will be stuck with a gussied-up sow's ear. Don't waste any of your time or money on it.
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Push/Pull on a CPU cooler might get you 1*C drop in temps. Not worth it IMO. I say just go with a pull fan on the heatsink.
If you have 3 5.25 bays free, you can mount a 120mm fan there to feed the CPU cooler directly.
Go with some Scythe Slipstreams or Yate Loons for the case.
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Originally Posted by chinesethunda View Post
So I have a situation. I have a hyper 212+ on my CPU, my problem is, using the stock fan on my hyper 212, it is in a push configuration because my fan came pre-mounted in the push configuration and right now is sticking over my RAM slots. Because I have just received my 2 other sticks of ram today, I need to switch the blademaster fan from push to pull, however, I had wanted to have 2 fans on my heat sink for a push/pull configuration.

So my questions are:
1. Is it okay to have one blademaster and one thinner fan or is it better to have 2 of the same fans on a heat sink for push/pull

2. What fan(s) is recommended for the heat sink for a push/pull configuration?

3. I want to put a fan in the front of my case to draw in some air. What good 120mm fan would you recommend to put in the front of my fan?

4. THIS is the case that I have, if I were to replace the back fan as well, what fan would be good? I am assuming similar to the front fan?

Thanks
So with the extra ram a push fan won't fit at all? 25mm or 38mm?

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I'd say buy a good case, then think about cooling. Good cases are cheap.

With that case you can never build the silk purse you want. You will be stuck with a gussied-up sow's ear. Don't waste any of your time or money on it.
Uhm, k. That case doesn't look half bad. If there's something lacking, mod it. Even stick another 120mm in the drive bays if you really aren't getting good airflow.

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Originally Posted by spaceballsrules View Post
Push/Pull on a CPU cooler might get you 1*C drop in temps. Not worth it IMO. I say just go with a pull fan on the heatsink.
If you have 3 5.25 bays free, you can mount a 120mm fan there to feed the CPU cooler directly.
Go with some Scythe Slipstreams or Yate Loons for the case.
I'd go with a single 38mm push fan ideally. Pull might work, but probably not as well especially with a cheaper fan.

I'd suggest one good 38mm fan like a san ace or delta on the heatsink and a couple yate loons or other cheapish quiet fans on the case if you want to save money.
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so some yate loons for the front of my case? I guess I can just switch the blademaster to the back of the heat sink and pull air and just leave it at that. I have room in the front for another fan to bring air in and i believe to be able to fit a 38mm fan
   
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Originally Posted by chinesethunda View Post
So I have a situation. I have a hyper 212+ on my CPU, my problem is, using the stock fan on my hyper 212, it is in a push configuration because my fan came pre-mounted in the push configuration and right now is sticking over my RAM slots. Because I have just received my 2 other sticks of ram today, I need to switch the blademaster fan from push to pull, however, I had wanted to have 2 fans on my heat sink for a push/pull configuration.

So my questions are:
1. Is it okay to have one blademaster and one thinner fan or is it better to have 2 of the same fans on a heat sink for push/pull, the bush master fans work great..if your going to spend more than 10 bucks on fans for push pull, buy a high end cooler and be done with it.

2. What fan(s) is recommended for the heat sink for a push/pull configuration?

3. I want to put a fan in the front of my case to draw in some air. What good 120mm fan would you recommend to put in the front of my fan?

4. THIS is the case that I have, if I were to replace the back fan as well, what fan would be good? I am assuming similar to the front fan?

Thanks
Look at the pick at the bottom of my post for how to mount your cooler with full ram slots. If your going to spend more than 15 bucks on a CPU cooler fan, get a high end cooler and be done with it

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I'd say buy a good case, then think about cooling. Good cases are cheap.

With that case you can never build the silk purse you want. You will be stuck with a gussied-up sow's ear. Don't waste any of your time or money on it.
If I where OP I would also be looking into a better case.
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Push/Pull on a CPU cooler might get you 1*C drop in temps. Not worth it IMO. I say just go with a pull fan on the heatsink.
If you have 3 5.25 bays free, you can mount a 120mm fan there to feed the CPU cooler directly.
Go with some Scythe Slipstreams or Yate Loons for the case.
All depends. Alot of people say that its not worth a push pull, yet I got close to 4c better temps with push pull on my CM212+ and r4 fans, over 1 R4 fan.

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So with the extra ram a push fan won't fit at all? 25mm or 38mm?



Uhm, k. That case doesn't look half bad. If there's something lacking, mod it. Even stick another 120mm in the drive bays if you really aren't getting good airflow.



I'd go with a single 38mm push fan ideally. Pull might work, but probably not as well especially with a cheaper fan.

I'd suggest one good 38mm fan like a san ace or delta on the heatsink and a couple yate loons or other cheapish quiet fans on the case if you want to save money.
This is great advice, I ran a Single San Ace 1011 on my Coolermaster it was f***ing amazing. I added a second san ace and it was insane.
38mm wide fans are great for cooler's and rads, they make higher static pressure, witch has a much greater impact on cooling that higher CFM dose. From my messing with the cooler master 212+ I found that a 38mm fan toned down with a fan controller was the best bet.

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so some yate loons for the front of my case? I guess I can just switch the blademaster to the back of the heat sink and pull air and just leave it at that. I have room in the front for another fan to bring air in and i believe to be able to fit a 38mm fan
When picking heat sink fans/case fans I try to keep in mind that coolers and rads are the place's to mount a 120x38 fan. for case's its best to just keep it at 120x25mm, as the extra pressure made by the thicker fans is wasted as a case fan. mind you it wont hurt anything or cause problems, just a wast of performance to stick a san ace as an intake..get a 100cfm typhoon as a case fan if your wanting high flow.

Here is the pick of how to mount your cooler master 212 with full RAM slots
Attachment 209805

You can mount the pull fan down, or you can mount it level with the top of the cooler, your choice...I had to set my cooler up to run my RAM.
EDIT: The pic is unclear, the arrows are just pointing out what the box's are. They do not show how to set the flow of the fans!! the fans should flow front to back just to be clear

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Where would I find one of these san ace fans? I have never heard of them so an example or a good place to buy them would be much appreciated. Also should I replace my blademaster and have 2 of the same fans like the san ace or just leave the blademaster?

Also for the case fan, it was suggested to have a 100 cfm typhoon, should I replace the fan that is in the back of my case as well or just leave that as is?
   
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Here is where I bought my San Ace 1011's. I will say its insanity to run them without a fan controller.
These fans flow ALOT, and make some noise while doing it.

Unless your temps are outragous, I wouldnt recomend sticking $20 fans on a $30 dollor cooler. If you where tinking about going for san ace 1011's push pull(wicked combo) I would take a look at upgrading from 212+ to somthing like a TRUE 120.

Your best bet money/cooling/noise wise is probly going to be a second blade master on a hyper 212+. They are great fans, make little noise, have good static pressure, and are cheap. Here is a clicky to the Blade Master Fan. 2x Blade Masters is a decent combo. I will say I found mine cheaper local though.Best of luck.



The 100 CFM Typhoons are good fans aswell. I'm going to be rocking them soon
Here Gentle Typhoon AP-30

The Scythe "GT" fans are amazing fans, and come in all CFM's.look here for more options. I would personaly rock the blademasters on the cooler, and if your frisky AP-29's as case fans.
Mind you the blade masters and stock case fans should be good for a small OC..if your planning to reach for the star's your going to have to invest in a decent case...my end set up is going to be 2-3 san ace's on the cooler, and AP-30's(like 7 of them) as case fans. however I'm dealing with some insane ambiant temps this summer, and game for long long hours and my 24/7 stable OC take's some high voltage to keep stable
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Okay, I understand what you are saying. I will probably stick another blade master on the cooler and get a typhoon on the front of the case. I won't be rocking high OCs so an san ace is probably overkill for me. so far i only upped my OC to 3.66GHz from 2.8. I will maybe try for a little higher but not much more so I guess the 212 and a couple blade masters will be alright. maybe later when I want to upgrade my case and such I will invest in some better fans. But for now I will stick with blademaster and some typhoons I suppose.

A quick question though, the scythe slipstream fans that were on sale HERE, are they any good? I was just looking for options for other fans for the front of my case that can provide good airflow and are not too expensive
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Where would I find one of these san ace fans? I have never heard of them so an example or a good place to buy them would be much appreciated. Also should I replace my blademaster and have 2 of the same fans like the san ace or just leave the blademaster?

Also for the case fan, it was suggested to have a 100 cfm typhoon, should I replace the fan that is in the back of my case as well or just leave that as is?
I see your trouble. You're running a Lynnfield, the hottest modern chip. Lucky you, though: the HT option is not available. That really heats up a chip.

If you're really going to max your OC, save up your money and buy a Silver Arrow for $75 at Directron or MWave. The Silver Arrow does not need any more fans; and if a 212+ will fit in your case, so will a Silver Arrow.

Don't know about your RAM, though. That might make big coolers impossible.

One nice thing: you could get a D14. The D14 requires Voltage control of fan speed, and with a Gigabyte board you can do just that. The control is in BIOS, under Computer Health.

Edit: Scythe Slip Stream are fine as case fans. For the front, use 800rpm (on your desk) or 1200rpm (on the floor). Even better would be Gentle Typhoon AP-12 (800rpm) and AP-13 (1150) rpm. Look at Koolertek or JAB-Tech for the best prices on Slip Stream and Gentle Typhoons.
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Dell SK-8110 (PS/2) Seasonic X460 Fanless motherboard tray from CM ATCS 840 Logitech MX 1100 
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Dell Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi MB3 
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i7 860 Gigabyte GA P55M UD2 ZOTAC/NVidia GTX 650 Ti 2GB 4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3-1333 CAS9 
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Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 7200.12 Plextor 24x DVD burner Cooler Master Hyper Z600R Win7 64-bit 
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Dell E207WFP 20-inch flat panel Logitech Wireless 510 Seasonic X-650 fully modular 80+ Gold Lian Li PC-7FN 
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Wireless Mouse WACOM Intuos 3 generic 
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i7 4790k Gigabyte GA-Z97X Gaming-7 Intel HD4600 Crucial Ballistix Sport Very Low Profile 8GB Ki... 
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Samsung 840 EVO 500GB Prolimatech Megahalems Rev. C Windows 8.1 Home Premium 64-bit Acer K242HL 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Dell SK-8110 (PS/2) Seasonic X460 Fanless motherboard tray from CM ATCS 840 Logitech MX 1100 
Mouse PadAudio
Dell Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi MB3 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte GA P55M UD2 ZOTAC/NVidia GTX 650 Ti 2GB 4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3-1333 CAS9 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 7200.12 Plextor 24x DVD burner Cooler Master Hyper Z600R Win7 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell E207WFP 20-inch flat panel Logitech Wireless 510 Seasonic X-650 fully modular 80+ Gold Lian Li PC-7FN 
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Wireless Mouse WACOM Intuos 3 generic 
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