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Any source on that?
Yes, its called looking at the manufacture specs.

If I can find you them I will show you. It's funny because Monster tries to keep their specs very very private. Once I dig them up, I'll post it here.
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post #142 of 156
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Thats just making a generalization based on the brand name. Calling a pair of $300 headphones only worth $100 dollars in sound quality without actual evidence and support and general consensus
oh really...

Do I really have to list the comparisons vs the $120 (were ~$100) M50s?
Do I really have to list the M50 vs . HFI-580 comparisions?
Do I really have to list the price of the Alienware Ozma 5, which is an OEM-ed HFI-580?

and by 'reputable' you mean CNET and PC parts website? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
or is it 'reputable' as in 'agrees with me'?

the similar driver aspect has evidence as well via square wave response graphs here: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/...indepth-review
post #143 of 156
Nice reviews there.
One that is without use of any test equipment and praising on (personal?) opinion.
Second with tEh numbers.
I would suggest not read into reviews based (read biased) on something without actual testing, as we all seen those charts where AMD phenom cpu's are faster than SB.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/headp...eadphone-amps/
I would just recommend to ask on these forums if anyone could vouch for those cans. Or at least find any post where any senior member recommends those over something.
Simply think as you would when you buy PSU/CPU/VGA/HDD. Do you want to see unbiased opinions and tests of it, or buy it based on newegg comment "this hardware is so powerfull, amagad i so like it, amagad it's perfect you should take 2!!ONEONEONE!!!11111" ?
Yeah, it is that simple, i think.
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However the thing is that testing headphones isn't as easy as testing graphics cards due to the availability of the equipment involved
That and there is many more factors involved with sound equipment and how good it sounds

This is why reviews from specialised experienced reviewers is important. I hate 'catch-all' PC parts / electronics websites due to this reason. One person is not an expert in everything nor do they have the biggest perspective vs. someone in the know. This is why I like sites like techpowerup, who only lets certain people review certain products and only those sorts of products unlike other PC part websites. This is why Techpowerup has far more credibility tbh than other 'general' PC part websites IMO. Getting an editor to review a thing? What a joke.
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However the thing is that testing headphones isn't as easy as testing graphics cards due to the availability of the equipment involved
That and there is many more factors involved with sound equipment and how good it sounds
Agreed. Even if the tester has the equipment, there are ALOT more factors involved to make sure that the tests were not altered to favor one audio device over the other, or if the test was done right for that matter

Back to what I was saying. I found a frequency response curve that compares the Pro and the Studio. They are nearly identical.



It doesn't say which one is which but according to the reviewer, the Pros had a even worse low end than the studios.

Full review here: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/...indepth-review
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post #146 of 156
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However the thing is that testing headphones isn't as easy as testing graphics cards due to the availability of the equipment involved
That and there is many more factors involved with sound equipment and how good it sounds

This is why reviews from specialised experienced reviewers is important. I hate 'catch-all' PC parts / electronics websites due to this reason. One person is not an expert in everything nor do they have the biggest perspective vs. someone in the know. This is why I like sites like techpowerup, who only lets certain people review certain products and only those sorts of products unlike other PC part websites. This is why Techpowerup has far more credibility tbh than other 'general' PC part websites IMO. Getting an editor to review a thing? What a joke.
Only one of the reviews were done by an editor. All three have reviews multiple headphones/earbuds, some for magazines, all are professional reviewers. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them bad reviewers, or make the reviews wrong. I'd take their word over yours easily, considering they owned and tested them and all pretty much come to the same conclusion.

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Agreed. Even if the tester has the equipment, there are ALOT more factors involved to make sure that the tests were not altered to favor one audio device over the other, or if the test was done right for that matter

Back to what I was saying. I found a frequency response curve that compares the Pro and the Studio. They are nearly identical.



It doesn't say which one is which but according to the reviewer, the Pros had a even worse low end than the studios.

Full review here: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/...indepth-review
How am I supposed to know this graph is comparing the Studios with the Pros?
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Only one of the reviews were done by an editor. All three have reviews multiple headphones/earbuds, some for magazines, all are professional reviewers. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them bad reviewers, or make the reviews wrong. I'd take their word over yours easily, considering they owned and tested them and all pretty much come to the same conclusion.
This debate is fruitless. The Beats are not inherently bad headphones and even the editors admit that they are pricey. For a company that is notorious for selling 100 dollar HDMI cables, they are truly a profit machine. If you think their interest is anything other than profit margins, you are sadly mistaken.

Monster does not even provide specs for most of their headphones. What does that tell you?

I also find it hilarious that they gave the HD555 a lower rating than the Beats; it really shows how much they know.

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How am I supposed to know this graph is comparing the Studios with the Pros?
If you read the review, the guy says it.
Edited by youra6 - 5/14/11 at 2:57am
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ANC is only effective in those situations because airplane noise is only one relatively monotonous sound. ANC is ineffective with a wide range of noise, like a city street. In-ears isolate much better.

This post from Marcus sums it up well:

http://headphones.com.au/blog/noise-...oise-isolating

Also all speakers 'go loud'. Loudness is never an indication of how good a speaker sounds. It's only an indication of the amping properties (via gain etc..) and sensitivity of the speaker circuit.
no bro I got them on sale and they look really nice!

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Pretty sure he was being sarcastic there
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This debate is fruitless. The Beats are not inherently bad headphones and even the editors admit that they are pricey. For a company that is notorious for selling 100 dollar HDMI cables, they are truly a profit machine. If you think their interest is anything other than profit margins, you are sadly mistaken.

Monster does not even provide specs for most of their headphones. What does that tell you?

I also find it hilarious that they gave the HD555 a lower rating than the Beats; it really shows how much they know.

If you read the review, the guy says it.
A company out to profit?? How greedy of them!
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A company out to profit?? How greedy of them!
Take a look at their annual report and look at two things: Money spent on R&D and money spent on marketing.

I cannot believe a smart guy like you thinks that Monster can charge a customer 350 dollars for a pair of headphones that performs on par with one that costs a third of the price. No wonder there are SO many people trying to counterfeit them.

When I was overseas last year, I saw the Dre Beats pro sell for what is equivalent to 90 USD dollars. Basically the closer you are the manufacturing plant, the cheaper it is. Before you ask me if what I had saw was a real or fake one, I don't know. It was at a mall in Shanghai and usually they sell legitimate products, not like a shady street dealer.

You probably do not know from what assembly line they come from. Typically, the conditions in these FTZs are no better than the sweat shops that produce pirated goods. Sometimes pirated goods and real goods even come off the same line, which is why you get knock offs that sound very good.

I would go on and on, but you know my point.
Edited by youra6 - 5/14/11 at 11:22am
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