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Poll Results: Will Linux beat MS/Apple for the rest of the world's general users?

 
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post #31 of 86
It'll happen, not for at least 10 years, but it will.
post #32 of 86
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As someone who has spent enough time just using Linux to lose most of my familiarity with Windows, I can say that Windows isn't any easier to use than Linux, seriously, you have to get used to so much stuff.
Very true. I tried to use a Mac sometime last year. I had to create something like the Mac version of an ISO file (it certainly wasn't to make a hackintosh!). Took me forever to perform the simplest task. The same goes for 7 vs XP and vice versa.


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From what I can tell, the government and education system in many non-US countries are moving to Linux, meaning that as people get brought up using Linux, they'd be more likely to use it at home...Especially as distros are free, even if pirated Windows is $2 or whatever.
Not in; Indonesia, Malaysia, Libya, Philippines and India - my experience since last Christmas.


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The way I see it, the people would prefer what they're used to, once you get used to Linux it becomes far easier to use than Windows and visa versa (Hence why some people say Linux is harder than Windows, I don't think I used the terminal once in an Ubuntu 10.10 installation and the WiFi worked much better than in Windows, less drop outs, etc) and the government? While they may have pirated copies right now, they wouldn't want to have them for various reasons, hence, Linux adoption increases through that. (Great example is Russia)
Again, a lot is true. Whenever I use (used) the terminal in Linux, it was copy / pasting code from a forum. It seems less and less necessary as various distros evolve.


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The support for Ubuntu isn't aimed at the tech savvy, I've seen many people post on those forums who had no idea what SATA is, or the different versions of USB3, let alone how to partition from the command line in Windows.
While my knowledge is low / middling on OCN, I'm an uber-geek compared to, what I'd guess, is the rest of the world's population. Maybe I was looking in the wrong place but, whilst I found the 'comunity' very helpful, patient and knowledgeable (a lot like OCN), a lot of the info certainly wasn't for n00bs.


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And using your example, if someones work or school uses Ubuntu with LibreOffice/OpenOffice, why wouldn't they be used to it? Many places in Europe, Southern America and Asia are using Linux in schools and workplaces now.
I agree with the principle of your argument. However, I'd be interested to see the numbers re: "many places in Europe, S. America and Asia...". In Asia (S.E. anyway), I'd disagree.

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Eh, Linux wouldn't suck for one simple reason: It's mostly made by the community for the community, while Ubuntu may become bloated as heck and make everything ultra noob friendly, us tech savvy enthusiasts will always have Arch, Gentoo, etc.
but if it becomes bloated and geared towards n00bs, then won't it simply become a free OSX? I thought that a lot of the appeal for Linux was it's lack of 'bloatedness'?


FWIW, I, until recently, had a dual boot Ubuntu and Win 7. My only use for Ubuntu was to play around and see what it was like. I haven't re-installed it since getting an SSD and clean installing Windows as Ubuntu was no more than a fun and free 'play thing'.

I see its uses and benefits worldwide in homes / businesses and everywhere inbetween. I think though that it will take generations and generations to wean people off of Windows and with M$ doing things like releasing their OS called something like "Win 7 for poor developing countries for $20", Linux doesn't have a chance.


PS - thanks for one of the most structured and intelligent posts I've read for a while on here*








*not knocking the people who help me on a daily basis lol
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Obviously not. Not even close. At least, not when it comes to personal computers.

It's definitely having good success in the mobile market of tablets and smartphones, though (Android).
Contrary to my last post, perhaps the use of Linux distros on netbooks will help it gain a foothold in the more mainstream market. Perhaps Win 8 will have far longer reaching effects in the MS / OSX / Linux war than ever before.
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Contrary to my last post, perhaps the use of Linux distros on netbooks will help it gain a foothold in the more mainstream market. Perhaps Win 8 will have far longer reaching effects in the MS / OSX / Linux war than ever before.
Netbooks are a dying breed. Ultraportables are here to take over. Netbooks simply have too many drawbacks in comparison to a $450 ultraportable like an HP DM1Z or a Lenovo X120e. Tablets are also here to stay.
    
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Netbooks are a dying breed. Ultraportables are here to take over. Netbooks simply have too many drawbacks in comparison to a $450 ultraportable like an HP DM1Z or a Lenovo X120e. Tablets are also here to stay.
Ultraportable = baby-sized laptop?

I have no idea of the sales figures but I want an eeePC (or similar) for Christmas*...





*are you listening, Santa!?!
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Ultraportable = baby-sized laptop?

I have no idea of the sales figures but I want an eeePC (or similar) for Christmas*...





*are you listening, Santa!?!
Ultraportables slot between netbooks and normal laptops when it comes to performance and size. Hence, AMD Zacate and Intel CULV.

And trust me, you do NOT want an Eee PC for Christmas. I had one and it was hell. It was laughably slow.
    
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Ultraportables slot between netbooks and normal laptops when it comes to performance and size. Hence, AMD Zacate and Intel CULV.

And trust me, you do NOT want an Eee PC for Christmas. I had one and it was hell. It was laughably slow.
But cheap.

I'm doing an online MSc beginning October of this year. It'll be for reading ebooks, a little bit of word processing and lightweight browsing (OCN when I need a break from work )

Stand-by for a seperate thread for that though!
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but if it becomes bloated and geared towards n00bs, then won't it simply become a free OSX? I thought that a lot of the appeal for Linux was it's lack of 'bloatedness'?
Most of the appeal for Linux would come from POSIX's superior security standards and the lack of costs to get the latest Ubuntu, Arch, etc.

The lack of bloat is appealing to enthusiasts like us, we all tend to run Distros that are less forgiving to noobs though (Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, SLS, etc) which is why I doubt that Linux would get ultra bloated, Linux in the mainstream would stay unbloated as Linux, but the patches Ubuntu put in it now and will put in it in the future cause a lot of bloat, if that makes sense.

And I suggest you read this, you see some large numbers of education facilities, government buildings, etc going to Linux. (Random example being this one.)
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Yeah I'm gonna say laptops would benefit greatly, as well as touch devices. That's where ubuntu is headed, touch devices. Who wants Windows when you can clean out Ubuntu to work on a touch pad. No more proprietary stuff and the customization goes through the roof.

Honestly I see a new distro branching off of something like arch or debian itself and using Gnome3 Shell first. Unless Ubuntu cleans up for low end hardware, it could happen. [edit] Or just simply everyone uses something like Android, which seems to be working well.

[edit] Linux itself can't be bloated, considering it's really just the kernel structure. At least right now it's more or less the kernel and a few other things. Take Arch, it uses the linux kernel with BSD style startup scripts and layout. BSD + Linux (kernel) = Arch! Though we will always have enthusiasts who like Vanilla setups, Gentoo/Slackware and somewhat Arch (though it does patch it's kernel source at times). And you will ALWAYS have Debian/RH/Fedora, which might have bloat but minimal. At least Debian tries to keep it very minimal with as much function as possible, though they heavily patch their sources to fix bugs and what not.

Ubuntu, or another distro might become overly bloated but linux itself cannot.
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Linux will always have the stigma of being "too hard" for average users, when it's only as hard as you want it to be. Chose a distro that pays royalties and included proprietary stuff, and you're set up from the get-go to do anything you want. Glutton for punishment? Go Slackware/Gentoo.

For people who've never had a computer, or can't afford the absurd computers we own, linux is great. It has equivalent hardware support, equivalent software, albeit gaming isn't as great, but we have the XBOX to thank/blame for DirectX's push. You can also get away with much lower-end hardware for linux.
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