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Sorry I sent an email on this subject to CaseLabs but I just decided to post here so maybe the answer will help others.

Currently I am hopefully moving towards purchasing one of these cases. My main question is can I fit the ATX Asus Rampage III Extreme into the MH10? It says it's an HPTX form factor but I really want to have a case that I can grow with and one day possible get something like the SR-2. If I am going to spend ~500 on a case, I would like the possibility of using it on my next build.

My other question was what are the recommended RADS to put in the case. I know everyone has varying opinions on which brand is best but I was wondering what people were having the best experience with inside the case lab cases.

Thanks for everyone's assistance. This will be my first build from scratch computers and I am going all out. Hopefully some of my newbish questions I will have will help others along the way.

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Originally Posted by SuperJeffe;13459846 
Sorry I sent an email on this subject to CaseLabs but I just decided to post here so maybe the answer will help others.

Currently I am hopefully moving towards purchasing one of these cases. My main question is can I fit the ATX Asus Rampage III Extreme into the MH10? It says it's an HPTX form factor but I really want to have a case that I can grow with and one day possible get something like the SR-2. If I am going to spend ~500 on a case, I would like the possibility of using it on my next build.

My other question was what are the recommended RADS to put in the case. I know everyone has varying opinions on which brand is best but I was wondering what people were having the best experience with inside the case lab cases.

Thanks for everyone's assistance. This will be my first build from scratch computers and I am going all out. Hopefully some of my newbish questions I will have will help others along the way.

Thanks
jeff


MH10 owner here biggrin.gif

Yes, the motherboard tray is setup to accept every current form factor motherboard UP TO HPTX (sr-2) one of the first things I actually had to do was remove a bunch of motherboard standoffs because Case Labs provides so many options for so many different motherboards. Also if you note in my build log (as seen in my signature) I am using ATX sized motherboards - I too have the intent to "grow" with this case over time smile.gif

Radiators is a personal choice - the popular rad choices here at OCN tend to be the XSPC RX480 ord RX360 radiators (but the MH10 can fit RX480's so that is where I went).

I would highly suggest you look at the Fire and Ice build log and a few others(including mines) to get some insight into what issues you may run into with different type of radiators.

But my suggestion is as follows. Either purchase an extended top and RX480's or if you want a thinner radiator that still performs well go with the Swiftech MCR420. Based on tests that Skinnee has done with radiators http://skinneelabs.com/triple-radiator-comparison-v2/4/ the performance deltas aren't that huge unless at one or the other extreme end- so that leaves the installation and other miscellaneous to decide which to purchase. I say account for how you want it mounted, if you want push pull, and what difficulties you see coming from those choices. (Again why I urge you to check out the build logs for other owners experiences with the M series cases)

Hopefully some of the other active Case Labs Owners will chime in as well. But I do urge you to continue posting your questions as well as thoughts once you get the case as we hope to do our best to support Jim in establishing a presence for these cases. As I personally feel the customer support has been top notch and almost as good if not better than the cases themselves (and that is saying a lot as I hold the fit, finish, quality, and options this case offers in extremely high esteem!)
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I was leaning towards the XSPC 480's anyway so that's good to hear. I will probably for sure get the MH10. I was hoping to avoid the Extended top but I really want a good radiator so will probably bite the bullet and get the extended top.

My biggest decision is going to be fans. I was going to go with a red theme to match my MB but I love the white, black and a little red. Problem is I already have 3 Enermax magma fans and I was hoping to just get a few more of the same fan. They are quiet, only 1500 RPM but I figure that would be pretty decent for now. The GT fans are really nice as well. It's a tough choice. The noob decisions that hopefully won't cost me a ton extra in the end. If you think that a mistake let me know. I could talk myself into just getting the GT fans.

CPU Cooler: will be the Swiftech Apogee XT (R2)
Reservoir: Koolance RP - 452X2 with 2 PMP-450 Pumps(Run in Serial for now)

Curious to know how well the Koolance reservoir matches this case. Won't know till I try.

Just going to start with the case, CPU cooling. After that, move to the GPU cooling little later on. Probably over the next 6 months build out the rest depending on my success with this.

To start, Case, 1 480 Rad, ?? Fans for decent airflow, and the other watercooling gear. Once I start GPU cooling, chipset cooling, I will get the 2nd rad. This let's me play and see how well this little hobby project of mine goes.

Thanks for helping me out!
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Originally Posted by SuperJeffe;13472119 
I was leaning towards the XSPC 480's anyway so that's good to hear. I will probably for sure get the MH10. I was hoping to avoid the Extended top but I really want a good radiator so will probably bite the bullet and get the extended top.

My biggest decision is going to be fans. I was going to go with a red theme to match my MB but I love the white, black and a little red. Problem is I already have 3 Enermax magma fans and I was hoping to just get a few more of the same fan. They are quiet, only 1500 RPM but I figure that would be pretty decent for now. The GT fans are really nice as well. It's a tough choice. The noob decisions that hopefully won't cost me a ton extra in the end. If you think that a mistake let me know. I could talk myself into just getting the GT fans.

CPU Cooler: will be the Swiftech Apogee XT (R2)
Reservoir: Koolance RP - 452X2 with 2 PMP-450 Pumps(Run in Serial for now)

Curious to know how well the Koolance reservoir matches this case. Won't know till I try.

Just going to start with the case, CPU cooling. After that, move to the GPU cooling little later on. Probably over the next 6 months build out the rest depending on my success with this.

To start, Case, 1 480 Rad, ?? Fans for decent airflow, and the other watercooling gear. Once I start GPU cooling, chipset cooling, I will get the 2nd rad. This let's me play and see how well this little hobby project of mine goes.

Thanks for helping me out!

As far as the Koolance reservoir and the look - here is a link to Raging Cain's build log - if you notice he is using the reservoir you speak of. I think there might be another build log rolling around somewhere else though with a Koolance reservoir.. his was just the first I could think of http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/1004716-build-log-caselabs-m10-nameless-5.html#post13466135

As far as fans - I personally would nudge you towards the AP-15's But there is alot of personal choice in terms of looks and sound quality that only you could make - if you want to get better opinion on that I would suggest you post a thread about that choice in the watercooling section as you will likely get more opinions there about it smile.gif

The extended top - I originally wanted to avoid it as well but it worked out for the better, the only other option would have been to go with a much taller TH10 build which I was definitely not going to do lol.

Starting with the one RX480 should be fine- a little overkill for just the CPU but perfectly fine since you plan on expanding over time. Rule of thumb is 2x120mm worth of rad per item, the CPU will require the greater amount of radiator. My simple loop in my 875k system uses a 240mm and I honestly wouldn't want to go lower than that. an RX480 for a simple CPU and single GPU loop would be perfect and if you go bigger or feel the desire to go bigger I think your plan of attack for expansion is perfect!
    
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Yeah please check out my build log, I am using the 452x2 resevoir despite being a little tricky to get started, I had to buckle and ask for help, I then figure it out while waiting for a resonse. I think it looks alright with my setup, I did try going for a very minimalist exterior setup though. There is something beautiful in both flare and subtlety and I tried to go for that.

I believe, I know the build log is a little all over the place, but there are definite shots of the standard M10 case, with the extended roof, showing you the case and the resevoir installed, if you want an idea of it how it looks.

I personally went with the most expensive cooling gear for my first water cooling loop (my last build) so I got a Thermochill PA120.3, a big ol 120.3 (360) radiator.) I was completely unimpressed by the design, the quality, and it already was showing signs of corrosion. I assume they are shipped from the UK by boat, and are not given any stoppers/plugs for the radiatorsl to prevent salty air getting inside. So I was deeply dissapointed. I have quite a lot of heat making equipment in my rig, and decided for another 120.3. Again I went by everyone's elses opinions and purchased a highly favorable RX360, and was immediately impressed. So if you are looking for a 480, I whole heartedly recommend that RX480. I have limited experience with only three brands of radiator, EK, ThermoC, and XSPC. I would choose the XSPC RX360 any day of the week.

The MH10 is a bigger case than mine, I believe it is specifcally dealing with the SR-2 size motherboards / components.

However, the M10 will also fit your large EATX motherboard, we essentially have the same size board as it is. I don't know if I logically follow that motherboards sizes is a good way of thinking in terms of future proofing. There are very very very few high end newer model boards that are this size, however, if you need a case to fit that size, you need a case. Although I consider all the components really important, I try to avoid builds (now that I know better) focusing on one specific component or size, trying to get everything to match it.

As far as the fans go, the GentleTyphoons are phenomenal performers that will not waste your cash, however, they are navy grey, and a bit of an eyesore in my opinion. If you look at my build log, I went with one fan color, and narrowed it down to just two fans, and I do not regret it. The color scheme while not perfect I think turned out really good, I went with a heavy dark theme with blinding bright white tubing and fans.

Let any of us know if you want more advice, and definitely get in touch with Jim and get to talking asking questions about the cases.
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The build logs are very nice. I had already read most of the logs and watched most of Juggalo23451 youtube videos. He is building a white monster with the Koolance as well. For some reason I missed your build log. You have a really nice parts list on yours which is very nice.

I hear what you say on the case. I just hate limiting my choices on future motherboards when spending this much on a case.

Appreciate everyone's help and will post back once I talk more with Jim and finalize my shopping list.

Thanks!
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I'm deciding on whether to go TH10 or MH10.

1) Can TH10 fit a push/pull config inside on top without the extended top?(or MH10 with extended top?) I just ordered 2 x Feser X-Changer 480mm Xtreme Performance Rads, and have 38 mm fans(ULTRA KAZE 120mm)

2) Case color, is it just black & white or can I request gray? To go with window color.

3) Does the MAC-113 Fan Mount get added to side(vertical)? I want to mod arms to it so that graphics card rest on it. Taking weight of MoBo.

4) Might be more aesthetic. With MoBo tray being an air intake and top/front outtake does PSU door need/should be vented?

5) Who thinks I should get renters insurance to cover my SR-2 build once it is finished?

Ty for your replies
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Originally Posted by Azureith;13482010 
I'm deciding on whether to go TH10 or MH10.

1) Can TH10 fit a push/pull config inside on top without the extended top?(or MH10 with extended top?) I just ordered 2 x Feser X-Changer 480mm Xtreme Performance Rads, and have 38 mm fans(ULTRA KAZE 120mm)

You'll need an extended top to do push-pull on rads, unless you house the whole thing inside the case, which isn't really advised.

2) Case color, is it just black & white or can I request gray? To go with window color.

The case actually only comes in Black. The White cases out there were tests.

3) Does the MAC-113 Fan Mount get added to side(vertical)? I want to mod arms to it so that graphics card rest on it. Taking weight of MoBo.

The Vertical mount has two thumbscrews to mount to the bottom and top of the case. It can be moved back or forth to your desire and would work just fine if you want to mod attachments to support GPUs.

4) Might be more aesthetic. With MoBo tray being an air intake and top/front outtake does PSU door need/should be vented?

That's up to you. Since there is intake coming from the front of the case, and bottom, a vented side panel is up to you.

5) Who thinks I should get renters insurance to cover my SR-2 build once it is finished?

Yes.

Ty for your replies


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Originally Posted by Azureith;13482010 
I'm deciding on whether to go TH10 or MH10.

1) Can TH10 fit a push/pull config inside on top without the extended top?(or MH10 with extended top?) I just ordered 2 x Feser X-Changer 480mm Xtreme Performance Rads, and have 38 mm fans(ULTRA KAZE 120mm)

Ty for your replies

I asked this question to Jim today. Here is a copy of my questions and his answers. I think based on his answer that on the TH10, you probably can, 150MM is alot of room. You could do the math on the radiator thickness and 2 fans. I was going to do this sometime this evening as well. Not sure anyone has actually built one with push / pull yet.

Here is my 2 questions to him earlier today.

1. Main difference between MH10 with Extender and the TH10. Is there much of a size difference? Maybe aesthetics with the rads being in the case vs in the extender. Cost wise I think there is only $5 difference or so.
Unless you’re height restricted like werds was, I think the TH10 is the better and more versatile way to go. It only works out to a few more dollars and you gain a lot of flexibility.

2. Will the rad and fan fit in the extender for a push pull configuration? Basically a fan in the case and a fan and rad in the extender. What size is the extender and maybe I can do the math myself there. Yes, but it would have to be a pretty thin rad. The extended cover provides 64mm clearance. The TH10 has over 6” (150mm) of headroom above the MB

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Originally Posted by Azureith;13482010 
I'm deciding on whether to go TH10 or MH10.

1) Can TH10 fit a push/pull config inside on top without the extended top?(or MH10 with extended top?) I just ordered 2 x Feser X-Changer 480mm Xtreme Performance Rads, and have 38 mm fans(ULTRA KAZE 120mm)

2) Case color, is it just black & white or can I request gray? To go with window color.

3) Does the MAC-113 Fan Mount get added to side(vertical)? I want to mod arms to it so that graphics card rest on it. Taking weight of MoBo.

4) Might be more aesthetic. With MoBo tray being an air intake and top/front outtake does PSU door need/should be vented?

5) Who thinks I should get renters insurance to cover my SR-2 build once it is finished?

Ty for your replies

I see XNine did a great job of responding. A couple of things I'll add:

The MAC-113 Fan mounts go into the Flex-Bay:
cl_proto3_14.jpg

There a fan attachment (MAC-114) may be attached to the side of the case or to an accessory mount:
cl_proto3_33.jpg

Unless you're using a 1200w PSU under heavy load, you probably don't need the vented door. One advantage of the vented door is that you can cross mount a radiator in one of the two PSU bays.

And yeah - I'd get the insurance wink.gif

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