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Well, the interesting thing to me is that back before I started experimenting with VCCSA and VCCIO, I had VCCSA at Auto and VCCIO at 1.15625 and it was able to pass 12 hours of Prime95 (with the current settings in the OP, except for a VCCIO of 1.15625V).

So far, I haven't been able to get Prime95 to last more than ~3 to 6 hours while using a manual setting of VCCSA at 0.925V and a lower VCCIO. I started with a VCCIO of 1.0000V, and I even got all the way up to 1.14375V without ever changing the VCCSA from 0.925V, and Prime95 never lasted more than 6 hours. It was usually less.

So I'm kind of giving up on this experiment (it was just for fun anyway). As of right now, I put my VCCSA back to Auto, and I left my VCCIO at 1.14375V. I mean, I'm going to start lowering the VCCIO bit by bit until it's not stable for 12 hours in Prime95 while always leaving my VCCSA on Auto. I have a feeling that I'll discover that it was my manual setting of VCCSA at 0.925V holding me back the entire time. Or perhaps I really do need 1.15625V. I'll certainly find out over the course of the next few days or so!

This has been so fun that I haven't even begun overclocking my GTX 580 yet, and I've had it for 3 weeks now!
I think that it depends very much on what RAM you have, and what speed/Volts it runs at, as to how high you need you're VCCIO. Mine is fine at AUTO (1.050v). Giving it more does nothing for me. Same with VCCSA. However, I'm at 1600 8-8-8-24-1t-1.5v.

Vcore is the only thing helping me.
    
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I think that it depends very much on what RAM you have, and what speed/Volts it runs at, as to how high you need you're VCCIO. Mine is fine at AUTO (1.050v). Giving it more does nothing for me. Same with VCCSA. However, I'm at 1600 8-8-8-24-1t-1.5v.

Vcore is the only thing helping me.
Interesting.

Well, Juan Jose (maybe I should just call him "J.J." instead?) said that when the VCCIO is on Auto, the board tends to use more than is necessary. So I'm going to search for the lowest necessary VCCIO.

If I find that I get perfect stability even with a VCCIO of less than 1.00000V, then I may just stick it at 1.00000V and leave it. Of course, if that happens, then I'm definitely never adjusting the VCCSA again. After all, it's not like I need to do any fine-tuning since I'm just doing simple overclocking as opposed to more complex, extreme overclocking.

It's just that I read that increasing the VCCIO can allow for a lower core voltage, and I'm already at 1.392-1.400V.
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post #2903 of 9343
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Interesting.

Well, Juan Jose (maybe I should just call him "J.J." instead?) said that when the VCCIO is on Auto, the board tends to use more than is necessary. So I'm going to search for the lowest necessary VCCIO.

If I find that I get perfect stability even with a VCCIO of less than 1.00000V, then I may just stick it at 1.00000V and leave it. Of course, if that happens, then I'm definitely never adjusting the VCCSA again. After all, it's not like I need to do any fine-tuning since I'm just doing simple overclocking as opposed to more complex, extreme overclocking.

It's just that I read that increasing the VCCIO can allow for a lower core voltage, and I'm already at 1.392-1.400V.
In some systems it may allow a lower Vcore. I think it's very much related to the type of RAM/speed used. Certain RAM, at certain speeds can affect the overclocking potential of the CPU.. In these cases I'm sure that adjusting VCCIO can have a large impact on the Vcore. I've heard it's more common with really high speed RAM though. 1600MHz should usually not need any higher VCCIO than normal.

For my system, as I've said, did nothing. I've tested it. This is something each person must test for their setup.
    
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post #2904 of 9343
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In some systems it may allow a lower Vcore. I think it's very much related to the type of RAM/speed used. Certain RAM, at certain speeds can affect the overclocking potential of the CPU.. In these cases I'm sure that adjusting VCCIO can have a large impact on the Vcore. I've heard it's more common with really high speed RAM though. 1600MHz should usually not need any higher VCCIO than normal.

For my system, as I've said, did nothing. I've tested it. This is something each person must test for their setup.
Hmm. Then I wonder if my results are due to my memory being 1866MHz at stock.

Either way, I'm having a blast. hehe
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post #2905 of 9343
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Hmm. Then I wonder if my results are due to my memory being 1866MHz at stock.

Either way, I'm having a blast. hehe
Yes, 1866 is considered above normal speed. So that could be it. We must not forget where the mem controller is located in a 1155 system

You may have gotten away with lower VCCIO if 2x2GB 1866 VS 2x4GB 1866 mem.

As a side note, anything over 1600 9-9-9-24 yields very little performance gain on Sandy. It is even hard to meassure the speed difference in benchmarks.
    
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Yes, 1866 is considered above normal speed. So that could be it. We must not forget where the mem controller is located in a 1155 system

You may have gotten away with lower VCCIO if 2x2GB 1866 VS 2x4GB 1866 mem.

As a side note, anything over 1600 9-9-9-24 yields very little performance gain on Sandy. It is even hard to meassure the speed difference in benchmarks.
Yeah, but the bit-tech guide "The Best Memory For Sandy Bridge" showed me that 1866MHz CL9 is ever-so-slightly better than 1600MHz CL8. Plus, the blue 2 x 4GB 1600MHz CL8 Ripjaws X was not in stock when I was finally ready to order.
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Yeah, but the bit-tech guide "The Best Memory For Sandy Bridge" showed me that 1866MHz CL9 is ever-so-slightly better than 1600MHz CL8.
If you look at this test, the differences are so small that they could just aswell be only the margin of error

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Even though there's merely a $34 price difference between the fastest and slowest memory tested today, I still don't believe there's any value in the more expensive memory kits on the Sandy Bridge platform. Once you have enough bandwidth (DDR3-1600 at a small $9-$10 price premium), there's just not enough of a performance increase beyond that to justify the additional cost, even when it's only $34 between 4GB kits. Once you jump to the 8GB kits, the price difference for CL9 DDR3-1600 is a mere $8, but it becomes much more pronounced at $92 to move to DDR3-2133. We simply can’t justify such a price difference based on our testing.
    
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So which one would you guys think is better for a 2500k?

ASRock Extreme4

or

Asus P8Z68-V?

Both cost 144€
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So which one would you guys think is better for a 2500k?

ASRock Extreme4

or

Asus P8Z68-V?

Both cost 144€
Well, This is the ASUS P8P67/P8Z68 Owners Club, so what answer do you want ? LOL!
    
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If you look at this test, the differences are so small that they could just aswell be only the margin of error
I know.

But, I studied that bit-tech article carefully and slowly and that was enough for me. One of the reasons I studied it is because Newegg ran out of the blue 2 x 4GB 1600MHz CL8 Ripjaws X kits, and so I wanted to see what else I should look at. When I learned was that I could get the 1866MHz CL9 kit that I have for just $5 more and have ever-so-slightly superior performance for several things.


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So which one would you guys think is better for a 2500k?

ASRock Extreme4

or

Asus P8Z68-V?

Both cost 144€
If you really do want a biased answer, then you're in the right place.

What kind of overclock do you want? Overclocking with air cooling doesn't need all that impressive of a motherboard. Even the plain old P8P67 would probably get the the same 4.8GHz I have now.
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