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Originally Posted by Smo View Post
Thanks - I'll reboot and enable PPL Overvoltage on top of TwoCable's settings and see what happens

Edit: Thanks for the heads up - my machine has finally booted with the multiplier at 48, CPU-Z is now showing;



I also realised that I forgot to set my memory timings after resetting the BIOS to default settings! Douche!

However it's not dropping to idle, is there a way to re-enable this please? I don't really want it running at 4.8GHz 24/7. So far the highest the vcore has hit (according to CPU-Z) is 1.416v, which I'm fairly pleased about!

Lastly, even though I've set my memory to DDR3-1600MHz in the BIOS, CPU-Z is showing a DRAM frequency of 800MHz, did I do something wrong?
Instead of using Internal PLL Overvoltage (which may or may not be required), let's try other avenues first. That's strongly recommended by the experts.

First, let's start increasing the VCCIO. For starters, let's go straight to 1.15000V just to see what happens (again, with Internal PLL Overvoltage disabled).


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Then go to control panel, power options and select 'balanced settings' instead of 'performance'.
I'm using these settings, but yet mine still instantly downclocks and the voltage goes way down instantly upon idle:




This is an old screenshot (it is #4 of a total of 5), but these are always my settings.


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Originally Posted by jamborhgini313 View Post
You need to enable Speedstep, c1,c6 in the bios.
C6 should be disabled when using an Offset voltage because if it's enabled, then BSODs are very likely while the system is idling. The same goes for C3.


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Genius! That's sorted it, thanks
But not necessary (see my screenshot above). Make sure Enhanced Intel Speedstep and C1E are enabled with C3 and C6 on Auto. Also, make sure CPU Spread Spectrum is enabled. When I say "enabled", I don't mean "Auto".


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I guess now all I can do is keep running Prime95 until I'm satisfied that the clock is stable! However if you'll forgive me I have one, and extremely stupid question which has probably been answered a billion times... what's the maximum vcore I should allow at this overclock? I understand 1.43/1.44 is considered the top end of safe?
For 24/7 use, approximately 1.425V is the maximum. For suicide runs, CPU-Z validations and benchmarks, the maximum can be about 1.525V or even a little higher.


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Thanks for taking the time to reply mate, but those options are still enabled - it was the power settings in my Control Panel that were stopping the downclock.
I don't know about that...


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Thanks for that - I'm literally just about to hit Ok on those settings. Bring on half an hour (I'm totally loving overclocking, I understand why people do it, the andrenaline and anticipation is awesome).

vcore is now hitting 1.448v, don't want to go higher, so fingers crossed I can reach half an hour on your custom settings.
1.448V? What is your CPU Offset Voltage set to?
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Firstly, thanks for taking the time to reply!

I've just gone into my BIOS and made any changes to match your suggestions, so now PLL over voltage is disabled and the VCCIO is at 1.15000. C1E was on Auto but is now enabled.

My offset is currently at +0.075.
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post #2933 of 9343
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Firstly, thanks for taking the time to reply!

I've just gone into my BIOS and made any changes to match your suggestions, so now PLL over voltage is disabled and the VCCIO is at 1.15000. C1E was on Auto but is now enabled.

My offset is currently at +0.075.
+0.075 is large. Won't it work with less?

(you're very welcome, by the way!)
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TwoCables

On the ASUS P8P67 series (Probably P8Z68 series too) you cannot disable the downclocking from bios. This is because if you disable C1 Speedstep in these boards, that will also disable Turbo.

So only in Windows it seems as when Power Options is on 'perfromance mode' some get stuck on full speed. May be some sub settings causing it. I think my system defaulted to 'Balanced mode'.

I've never heard that upping VCCIO voltage can remedy the need for Internal PLL Overvoltage? Many CPU's need this feature on at those higher multipliers. Though it will differ as to what multi from CPU to CPU.
    
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TwoCables

On the ASUS P8P67 series (Probably P8Z68 series too) you cannot disable the downclocking from bios. This is because if you disable C1 Speedstep in these boards, that will also disable Turbo.

So only in Windows it seems as when Power Options is on 'perfromance mode' some get stuck on full speed. May be some sub settings causing it. I think my system defaulted to 'Balanced mode'.

I've never heard that upping VCCIO voltage can remedy the need for Internal PLL Overvoltage? Many CPU's need this feature on at those higher multipliers. Though it will differ as to what multi from CPU to CPU.
All I am hoping to do is follow J.J.'s recommendation of trying everything else first instead of going straight for Internal PLL Overvoltage.

Anyway, thank you for the heads up.
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+0.075 is large. Won't it work with less?

(you're very welcome, by the way!)
It would boot, yes. However worker #2 would always fail after a few minutes. At this time it was suggested that I should try some custom settings in Prime95 - I've been upping the offset since to try and survive around 30 minutes on those new settings.

Your suggestion of disabling PLL and increasing the VCCIO means I can now boot (which I couldn't before without PLL) but it fails the custom Prime settings in a few seconds.
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post #2937 of 9343
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All I am hoping to do is follow J.J.'s recommendation of trying everything else first instead of going straight for Internal PLL Overvoltage.

Anyway, thank you for the heads up.
Don't mention it mate

Also, you must not forget that you have a fairly good 2500K. It will do 4.8GHz at a nice Vcore and it will do it with Internal PLL Overvoltage Disabled.

Many of these needs PLL Overvoltage option enabled for 48x multi and up.. in fact, I think that is more common than not. Also, some of these/many need alot more Vcore than yours.

As I've said, the 2500K I had, prior to this 2600K, it needed about 1.44v Vcore for 4.7GHz and never got it Blend stable at 4.8GHz. Was almost up to 1.5v Vcore. It also required PLL Overvoltage for 48x multi and up. And there was no way around it.

So keep this in mind, these CPU's differ alot.
    
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post #2938 of 9343
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It would boot, yes. However worker #2 would always fail after a few minutes. At this time it was suggested that I should try some custom settings in Prime95 - I've been upping the offset since to try and survive around 30 minutes on those new settings.

Your suggestion of disabling PLL and increasing the VCCIO means I can now boot (which I couldn't before without PLL) but it fails the custom Prime settings in a few seconds.
Very interesting. So you could now boot at 48x with Internal PLL disabled, when upping VCCIO.

This did not work on my previous 2500K. Only goes to show how these CPU's/RAM combinations will differ as regards to what they respond to.
    
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This must be why J.J. recommends trying everything else possible before enabling Internal PLL Overvoltage.

So now what's your vcore under load, Smo?
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Very interesting. So you could now boot at 48x with Internal PLL disabled, when upping VCCIO.

This did not work on my previous 2500K. Only goes to show how these CPU's/RAM combinations will differ as regards to what they respond to.
Exactly right - yeah. Unfotunately though the Mrs has put her foot down and I have been told to come to bed! I won't be able to continue with the overclock until I finish work tomorrow evening now (which sucks - I'm wide awake and determined to get this thing stable).

Thanks for all your help so far guys - I certainly wohldn't have been able to come this far without it. I'm looking forward to continuing this tomorrow.
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