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post #3411 of 9343
I'm sorry, but please stop saying a1 suite 11 (I don't know why, but it bugs me. ). It's Ai Suite II. There are no numbers in its name. It means "Artificial Intelligence Suite 2".

Ai Suite II.


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Originally Posted by gumby510 View Post
Tcase on our processors is 72.6 or something like that. I was running a h50 and my load temps on stock was 75C. With a mild overlock it went to 80c plus. I RMA'd that H50 and got a h100 and my temps went WAY down. Im in the 50's now at 4.3ghz. If you can fit the H100 in your case I would think about grabbing that.
Yeah, but the tCase is not the maximum safe core temperature. The maximum safe core temperature is closer to 98°C because that's the Tj. Max.

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
I'm sorry, but please stop saying a1 suite 11 (I don't know why, but it bugs me. ). It's Ai Suite II. There are no numbers in its name. It means "Artificial Intelligence Suite 2".

Ai Suite II.
sorry you did tell me befor,its me trying to be smart typing quick

so do think the temp is high or wot i had no kiss of death yet
Edited by chillidog - 9/4/11 at 5:32am
post #3413 of 9343
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sorry you did tell me befor,its me trying to be smart typing quick
That confuses me because the '1' key is pretty far away from the 'i'.

Anyway, is there any way I can convince you to uninstall Ai Suite II and start doing all of your overclocking directly in the UEFI? To start with, you are free to use my settings that turrican9 graciously put in his OP of this thread. Actually, my current settings are slightly different from what he has in his OP because I now have a manual setting for VCCIO Voltage and CPU PLL Voltage instead of using Auto:



Ai Tweaker
  • Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
  • BLCK/PCIE Frequency: 100.0
  • Turbo Ratio: By All Cores
  • By All Cores: 48
  • Internal PLL Voltage: Disabled
  • Memory Frequency: DDR3-1866MHz
  • DRAM Timing Control: 9-11-9-29-1T
  • EPU Power Saving MODE: Disabled


Ai Tweaker\\ CPU Power Management >
  • CPU Ratio: Auto
  • Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology: Enabled
  • Turbo Mode: Enabled
  • Long Duration Power Limit: Auto
  • Long Duration Maintained: Auto
  • Short Duration Power Limit: Auto
  • Additional Turbo Voltage: Auto
  • Primary Plane Current Limit: Auto


Ai Tweaker (in the DIGI+ VRM section)
  • Load-Line Calibration: Ultra High
  • VRM Frequency: Manual
  • VRM Fixed Frequency Mode: 350
  • Phase Control: Extreme
  • Duty Control: Extreme
  • CPU Current Capability: 140%
  • CPU Voltage: Offset Mode
  • Offset Mode Sign: +
  • CPU Offset Voltage: 0.040V
  • DRAM Voltage: 1.5000V
  • VCCSA Voltage: Auto
  • VCCIO Voltage: 1.15625V
  • CPU PLL Voltage: 1.70625V
  • PCH Voltage: Auto
  • CPU Spread Spectrum: Enabled


Advanced\\ CPU Configuration >
  • CPU Ratio: Auto
  • Intel Adaptive Thermal Monitor: Enabled
  • Active Processor Cores: All
  • Limit CPUID Maximum: Disabled
  • Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
  • Intel Virtualization Technology: Disabled
  • Enhanced Intel SpeedStep Technology: Enabled
  • Turbo Mode: Enabled
  • CPU C1E: Enabled
  • CPU C3 Report: Auto
  • CPU C6 Report: Auto


You can use these settings and then if it's not stable, we can tweak certain things. For example, if this isn't stable, then you may need a different CPU Offset Voltage (core voltage). Or, you may need to set the VCCIO and the CPU PLL Voltages to Auto. Or, you may need to tweak other things. Either way, it can be a good start!

Regarding the temps: they are higher than I would expect for this overclock with that core voltage, but they're definitely not dangerous in the least bit. The maximum safe core temperature is closer to 98°C because that is the Tj. Max. (that's why Real Temp displays the distance to the Tj. Max).

Regarding 10 minutes of Prime95: that actually doesn't determine stability at all. In the old days with the previous generation Intel CPUs, 10 minutes of the Small FFTs test in Prime95 (not Blend!) was a great way to determine what your max temps will be during a good long run of Prime95. With Sandy Bridge, things have changed quite significantly: now we can determine our max Prime95 temps using Blend. In fact, the Small FFTs test is no longer useful even for determining stability!
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post #3414 of 9343
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sorry you did tell me befor,its me trying to be smart typing quick

so do think the temp is high or wot i had no kiss of death yet
Mine was running up to 80°C on the hottest core while testing with Prime95 using a Corsair H80 water cooler. But my test lasted for over 17h with all workers running, until I stopped it manually. During gaming it never gets that high, mostly stays under 70°C.

I keep recommending not to use AI Suite II for overclocking. Before I knew how to do it the right way, I let AI Suite do an "Extreme" auto overclock for me. It made a few restarts, clocked the CPU higher and higher. At some point, it gave me the warning, that the temp was 95°C and I pulled out the AC cable to prevent it from going even higher. This teached me pretty enough not to try this again.

At this point I remembered the AI Overclocking functions of my ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Board (nforce4, for AMD Athlon64 / X2 processors). Back then (about 6 years ago) auto overclocking also resulted in high temperatures and system crashes.

I think those routines test until the system will no more boot or crash and adjust multi, bclk and vcore to extremely high values, no matter what effect this has on the cpus lifetime. After the final crash or boot failure they apply the highest running setting without further stability testing and sell it to the user as the best possible stable setting.

I again strongly recommend not to use the auto overclocking functions!
     
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post #3415 of 9343
OK REPORT BACK
right taken out ai suite
copied twocables template the only thing i did not changed is 48 by all cores i kept it for now @46
did a rerun of prime95 for the same time i did before and i great inprovement
prime passed on all cores.
realtemp is a bit inprovement on last test but core 3 was still bit hot than others coming in @74 instead of 75 LAST TIME
core 2&4 was 1 degee less than before @69 instead of 70
and core 1 just come in@68 just one degree hotter
so it seems i just got one core thats going to run a bit hotter than others
boot up seems better without the prepost normally its boots then shuts then restarts into windows.
so many thx to twocables i know he have told me before about taking out ai suite but being a newbie to ocing i wasn't sure what to do
now i listen and you learn and i him

am still runing prime in the back ground and so far ok
Edited by chillidog - 9/4/11 at 7:26am
post #3416 of 9343
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OK REPORT BACK
right taken out ai suite
copied twocables template the only thing i did not changed is 48 by all cores i kept it for now @46
did a rerun of prime95 for the same time i did before and i great inprovement
prime passed on all cores.
realtemp is a bit inprovement on last test but core 3 was still bit hot than others coming in @74 instead of 75 LAST TIME
core 2&4 was 1 degee less than before @69 instead of 70
and core 1 just come in@68 just one degree hotter
so it seems i just got one core thats going to run a bit hotter than others
boot up seems better without the prepost normally its boots then shuts then restarts into windows.
so many thx to twocables i know he have told me before about taking out ai suite but being a newbie to ocing i wasn't sure what to do
now i listen and you learn and i him

am still runing prime in the back ground and so far ok
This is awesome.

What core voltage are you getting in CPU-Z while Prime95 is running?
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This is awesome.

what core voltage are you getting in cpu-z while prime95 is running?
am getting: 1.384v

AM ON 5TH PASS OF PRIME AND STILL ALL OK
OVER 35 MINS AS PASSED
AND STILL TEMPS ARE OK
CORE1:69
CORE2@73
CORE3@77
CORE4@71
MAX
Edited by chillidog - 9/4/11 at 7:52am
post #3418 of 9343
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am getting: 1.384v

AM ON 5TH PASS OF PRIME AND STILL ALL OK
OVER 35 MINS AS PASSED
AND STILL TEMPS ARE OK
CORE1:69
CORE2@73
CORE3@77
CORE4@71
MAX
35 minutes is basically nothing. 12 hours is more solid.

Anyway, 73°C for 1.384V seems high to me. What is your room temperature right now? I mean, what's the approximate air temperature that your intake fans are pulling into the case? Is it cold, cool, comfortable, warm or hot? I mean, I would expect the H70 to perform better than this!
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35 minutes is basically nothing. 12 hours is more solid.

Anyway, 73°C for 1.384V seems high to me. What is your room temperature right now? I mean, what's the approximate air temperature that your intake fans are pulling into the case? Is it cold, cool, comfortable, warm or hot? I mean, I would expect the H70 to perform better than this!
it is quite hot in here
@ a guess i would say around in the 80's
the pc sits in a corner on desk about 7-9 inchs away from the walls so i would expect the temps to be abit high
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it is quite hot in here
@ a guess i would say around in the 80's
the pc sits in a corner on desk about 7-9 inchs away from the walls so i would expect the temps to be abit high
Whoa. In that case, I'm impressed!
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