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I'm personally using Regular LLC with C3 and C6 states enabled.

C3 and C6 are two different sleep states of the chip. You can basically call C3 the "deep sleep" state, and C6 the "deeper sleep" state.


(This isn't a SB chip, but it gives you an idea.)

Some info on C3:


Source: http://www.intel.com/support/process.../CS-028739.htm

If you are having idle problems, C6 is probably the culprit as it is more aggressive in it's undervolting. However, as seen here, some people need both off. In theory, a lower LLC setting should bring up the idle voltage for the same load voltage, so that's another way as well (and is what I ended up doing).
I've been experimenting using High LLC instead of Ultra High LLC lately, in order to have C3/C6 enabled. So far so good.

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Just grabbed an open box P8P67 Pro Rev 3.1 for $121 after promo code, can't wait to join the club!
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Added Altstadt and Xyro TR1 to the Club. Both are P8Z68 Deluxe Owners. Welcome!

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hi all
just want to say a big thanks for the info i got from this forum

i did some minor adjustments in the oc and now i can say am quite stable at 4.7 in which am quite happy with.no bsods what so ever since my last post
haven't been on for a while playing that game bf3 .if you play track us down

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hi all
just want to say a big thanks for the info i got from this forum

i did some minor adjustments in the oc and now i can say am quite stable at 4.7 in which am quite happy with.no bsods what so ever since my last post
haven't been on for a while playing that game bf3 .if you play track us down

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Thank you for the thorough reply, TwoCables (u got my first +rep).

About an hour ago I was writing a reply about my 5 hours and 30 minutes into Prime95 blend 4.5ghz at set Vcore at 1.335v with LLC Ultra High when I just got a BSOD 101. The others have only been 124, but both 124 and 101 means too low Vcore except that 124 can apply to qpi/vtt voltage too, right?

After this last BSOD I decided to go and build my house (e.g. my overclock) from the foundation and up instead of beginning at the second floor (my first manual attempt after Auto Tune got BSOD at 4.6ghz was to go for 4.7ghz).

I started checking what the auto voltage values are when I set my BIOS back to the default settings, then I checked the values at 4.5ghz with all other settings on Auto. Considering those values and my earlier experimenting, the sweetspot for 4.5ghz on my chip seems to lie between 1.336v-1.344v. I decided to just go ahead and try to get my offset as close to this spot as possible. Now, with multiplier at 45, LLC High and Offset to -0.005, CPU-Z shows me this under load; 1.336v-1.344v. Now it just remains to see wether this setting can survive a bit of idle time.

While I am typing this and watching CPU-Z, I am also discovering something quite interesting. Offset -0.005v actually seems to have a slightly higher idle Vcore than Offset +0.005v, contradicting what I have understood about Offset mode where the decrease in Vcore at "-" Offset should be parallell or close to parallell with the decrease you get under load while at "+" Offset the idle Vcore increases around 50% of the increase under load. This states that my -0.005 Offset should be around 0.0075v lower than my +0.005 Offset. Currently I am idling at 0.944v-1.064v and my +0.005 offset was idling at 0.856v-1.064v generally staying below 1.024v. It might just be random as I did not monitor the +0.005 offset for more than 2 minutes, but if not...good for me. I will keep checking this out when I move back to 4.6ghz+ after this overclock have prooved itself stable at idle and in 12 hour Prime95 blend. I'll try to get a 4.8ghz stable overclock but then probably move back to this setting for daily use. This is fun!
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Thank you for the thorough reply, TwoCables (u got my first +rep).

About an hour ago I was writing a reply about my 5 hours and 30 minutes into Prime95 blend 4.5ghz at set Vcore at 1.335v with LLC Ultra High when I just got a BSOD 101. The others have only been 124, but both 124 and 101 means too low Vcore except that 124 can apply to qpi/vtt voltage too, right?
I'm still not sure, but I know others are more sure about these things, so I'm not worried. We'll find out eventually.


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After this last BSOD I decided to go and build my house (e.g. my overclock) from the foundation and up instead of beginning at the second floor (my first manual attempt after Auto Tune got BSOD at 4.6ghz was to go for 4.7ghz).

I started checking what the auto voltage values are when I set my BIOS back to the default settings, then I checked the values at 4.5ghz with all other settings on Auto. Considering those values and my earlier experimenting, the sweetspot for 4.5ghz on my chip seems to lie between 1.336v-1.344v. I decided to just go ahead and try to get my offset as close to this spot as possible. Now, with multiplier at 45, LLC High and Offset to -0.005, CPU-Z shows me this under load; 1.336v-1.344v. Now it just remains to see wether this setting can survive a bit of idle time.

While I am typing this and watching CPU-Z, I am also discovering something quite interesting. Offset -0.005v actually seems to have a slightly higher idle Vcore than Offset +0.005v, contradicting what I have understood about Offset mode where the decrease in Vcore at "-" Offset should be parallell or close to parallell with the decrease you get under load while at "+" Offset the idle Vcore increases around 50% of the increase under load. This states that my -0.005 Offset should be around 0.0075v lower than my +0.005 Offset. Currently I am idling at 0.944v-1.064v and my +0.005 offset was idling at 0.856v-1.064v generally staying below 1.024v. It might just be random as I did not monitor the +0.005 offset for more than 2 minutes, but if not...good for me. I will keep checking this out when I move back to 4.6ghz+ after this overclock have prooved itself stable at idle and in 12 hour Prime95 blend. I'll try to get a 4.8ghz stable overclock but then probably move back to this setting for daily use. This is fun!
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When using an Offset voltage, having C3 and C6 set to Enabled results in a lower idle voltage than having them both Disabled. When using Auto, it's unpredictable (unless, of course, you're an Intel engineer or something).

Apparently, you can achieve a slightly higher idle voltage by using High instead of Ultra High. For some, this means that you can leave C3 and C6 enabled with no risk of idle freezes or BSODs while using an Offset voltage.

I have not tested this, so I'm still using Ultra High with both C3 and C6 disabled to avoid an idle freeze. Previously, I was using Auto.

Therefore, your mileage may vary. Experiment. Experimentation is always necessary.
But the thing is, if I can get away with using High LLC and just increase Offset value in order to use C3 and C6, what advantage to I get with them?

I also understand why at idle with too low voltage, the system will usually hang? At idle, the clock speed of my CPU is 1600MHz and that can accommodate low voltage, right?

Why does a higher LLC produce lower idle voltage?

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Originally Posted by SectorNine50 View Post
I'm personally using Regular LLC with C3 and C6 states enabled.

C3 and C6 are two different sleep states of the chip. You can basically call C3 the "deep sleep" state, and C6 the "deeper sleep" state.


(This isn't a SB chip, but it gives you an idea.)

Some info on C3:


Source: http://www.intel.com/support/process.../CS-028739.htm

If you are having idle problems, C6 is probably the culprit as it is more aggressive in it's undervolting. However, as seen here, some people need both off. In theory, a lower LLC setting should bring up the idle voltage for the same load voltage, so that's another way as well (and is what I ended up doing).
If we can get the same voltage (using Offset and adjusting accordingly) by using ANY level of LLC, what then is the advantage of LLC per se?
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But the thing is, if I can get away with using High LLC and just increase Offset value in order to use C3 and C6, what advantage to I get with them?

I also understand why at idle with too low voltage, the system will usually hang? At idle, the clock speed of my CPU is 1600MHz and that can accommodate low voltage, right?

Why does a higher LLC produce lower idle voltage?



If we can get the same voltage (using Offset and adjusting accordingly) by using ANY level of LLC, what then is the advantage of LLC per se?
If you leave the voltage the same, and Raise LLC, the load voltage increases.

You can get the same load voltage with a higher vcore offset and a lower LLC setting. However, because the vcore offset is higher, your idle voltage is higher.

Think about it this way:
LLC affects the slope of the voltage graph based on load and vcore offset shifts the whole graph up or down.

LLC allows you to have a lower idle vcore with a higher load vcore, to the extent the chip allows it.
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