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Noticed on the ASUS website that there is a newer BIOS update for the P8Z68-v pro/gen3 that I have.

I have not yet completed my system or started it up yet, but: is it worth while to update the BIOS if there are no issues present? Or should I do like the manual says and not update it (bios) unless I am having a problem. The process looks pretty straight forward using the "EZ Flash 2" and a usb drive from reading the manual. But then again, I'm a newbie and "don't know what I don't know."

And after reading Shad0wfax and sceptre's conversation, it looks like I'll be removing 2 of my RAM Dimms as well........Oh well. Live and learn... thumb.gif
Edited by Overclockname - 12/9/11 at 1:48pm
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Well in the old days, flashing a MB was iffy. If it froze in the middle of flashing it was usually a brick. I think its gotten alot better. I havent bricked anything in years. Usually I'll look at the release notes. If it isn't anything i care about I usually just skip it.

Running at 4.1 atm. mor eor less on stock settings minus turning up cpu increase to 110%.

I uninstalled the asus suit 2 stuff. And made all the bios changes in the ai tuning menu.

I'll run it at these speeds for a bit untill i get more time to play.

Any recommended Motherboard monitoring software folks like these days? I see a few at the begining of the thread. Just wondering which are more popular.
Edited by sceptre155 - 12/9/11 at 4:08pm
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HWINFO 64 program is very nice along with Real Temp 3.69.1 is what I use . Oh, and CPUZ of course thumb.gif
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Shad0wfax.... You sir are a genius. I ran home ...walked in the door did not pass go or collect 200 bucks. Gf was a bit miffed... lol Anyways went straight to my computer and yanked out the dimms in slot 1 and 3. And take a wild guess what happened next. BAMM !! 4300 mghz

It's the ram. You were right. I also noticed that just about all the over clocking features try and increase the ram speed, which casues Blue screens.But I can deal with blue screens... the reboots with no vga output was frustrating.

You've been a huge help. I need to run get some dinner and say hi to the GF before the lazor beams of death start burning holes....

I'm going to take the ram back and pick up some 1833 or something. We'll see what the prices are like... will probably be the deciding factor. Figure I have 100 bucks to spend on two dimms and put some money back in my pocket.

I want to take a more detailed look at the guide you posted.

Hah, I'm glad that fixed it for you. It could have been any number of things, but RAM was simply the most likely. What you've stumbled upon in the "automated" overclocking features is one of the major flaws in them; they try to monkey with RAM timings too much and that's almost never a good idea. (The other flaw with the automated OC suites is that they tend to provide a bit too much voltage.) Not all DIMM are created equal either; you may get more performance from a 1600 CL8 than you would from a 1833 CL11. Furthermore, our SB mobos work really well with 1600 and often do not work well above that. Ivy Bridge is slated to go up to 2133 or even higher though.

If I were you, I'd say that you can go with some nice G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 CL9 for $30 and use the $70 to treat your girlfriend! (Or you can get some 1600 CL8 modules and treat her a bit less. tongue.gif )
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Originally Posted by Overclockname View Post

Noticed on the ASUS website that there is a newer BIOS update for the P8Z68-v pro/gen3 that I have.

I have not yet completed my system or started it up yet, but: is it worth while to update the BIOS if there are no issues present? Or should I do like the manual says and not update it (bios) unless I am having a problem. The process looks pretty straight forward using the "EZ Flash 2" and a usb drive from reading the manual. But then again, I'm a newbie and "don't know what I don't know."

And after reading Shad0wfax and sceptre's conversation, it looks like I'll be removing 2 of my RAM Dimms as well........Oh well. Live and learn... thumb.gif

I think the 4 GB packages being available confuse many new purchasers and many new purchasers believe that "bigger is better" which is the case in most of what we do; unfortunately it's dead wrong for RAM. The truly extreme benchers who flagellate with liquid Nitrogen runs and such, typically use only 2 GB or 4 GB of RAM in 2 DIMM simply because it allows them the most headroom in overclocking and presents the least load to the memory controllers while still booting the OS and running their bench programs and such.

I tend to recommend 8 GB (2x4 GB) for a dual-channel motherboard and 6 GB or 12 GB (3x2GB or 3x4 GB) for a triple-channel board. (There are some boards out there with triple-channel that have 6 DIMM slots and again, it's best to populate half of them.)

As for updating your BIOS, I'd read all of the changelogs and consult with other users here before doing it. Once in a while an update will harm your performance. Usually it's best to have the latest BIOS though. Make sure you are not overclocked when you flash your BIOS and always flash from the EZFlash boot menu or the USBFlash from a boot. Never flash a BIOS from within the OS! I can't emphasize that enough. Asus may provide you with a program to update your BIOS from within the OS and it may work for some people but it's also the number one cause of bricked motherboards! Avoid that like the plague and always use a USB flash drive and do it from a boot menu!
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Well in the old days, flashing a MB was iffy. If it froze in the middle of flashing it was usually a brick. I think its gotten alot better. I havent bricked anything in years. Usually I'll look at the release notes. If it isn't anything i care about I usually just skip it.

Running at 4.1 atm. mor eor less on stock settings minus turning up cpu increase to 110%.

I uninstalled the asus suit 2 stuff. And made all the bios changes in the ai tuning menu.

I'll run it at these speeds for a bit untill i get more time to play.

Any recommended Motherboard monitoring software folks like these days? I see a few at the begining of the thread. Just wondering which are more popular.

After uninstalling the Asus Suite II, make sure that you also clean up your registry and verify that the services for it have stopped as well. It likes to leave pieces of itself behind. If you're not too far into it, you might even consider a fresh OS install over your current one, just so that you know that you're clean. I'd recommend a fresh install, but I'm also a bit OCD when it comes to that. biggrin.gif
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Thanks guys. Good info.
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Make sure you are not overclocked when you flash your BIOS and always flash from the EZFlash boot menu or the USBFlash from a boot. Never flash a BIOS from within the OS! I can't emphasize that enough

Yeah, after reading through the manual it looked like the "ez flash 2" was about the only way I was gonna attempt this, if at all. Seemed to be the least troublesome. I would do it first thing, before I "mess" with anything. Thanks for the warnings.

I'm also getting the impression, from reading here and other places, that I shouldn't bother installing most of the mobo software that came with it. Anything worthwhile in it at all?

I'm dead in the water until I get a new keyboard anyway. Slight oversight on my part: the only 2 keyboards in the house are PS/2 connection. The v pro/gen3 only has usb connection.......doh.gif


Has anybody downloaded BIOS version 0402 for the v-pro/gen3? The good, the bad, the ugly about it?
The description says: "1. Improve system stability" and "2. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at:" Improve system stability is what intrigued me. I'm all about stable systems.... LOL

The "description" is all I find.
Edited by Overclockname - 12/9/11 at 7:46pm
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You're not kidding.... It left pieces all over the place. All of the directories etc... are still sitting in the program folders. Services look like they have stopped. I may just nuke it and start over. Seeing how it took like 10 minutes tops to install the first time. Think I'll make a image this time. Win7 64 bit took 30 gigs of HD space.... crazy. I'd love to find a slim install version. I've never really worried about it in the past, but now that i have a 120 gig ssd. I dont feel like loading it up with crap. Need to save room for some games smile.gif

I'm going to give those programs DennyB sugested a shot first.

Ran into a BSOD after running for a hour or so @ 4300, same with 4100 and 3700. No heavy loads. Seems it may be video related. I notice some artifacts a split second before the crashes. Temps all see fine. CPU is running in the high 20's C by the time it reboots and i can get in the bios again. I'm still wondering about the ram. It's seen the sticks as 1333 a few times. I think I'll set the speed static in the bios and run it for a few.
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I'm also getting the impression, from reading here and other places, that I shouldn't bother installing most of the mobo software that came with it. Anything worthwhile in it at all?

Has anybody downloaded BIOS version 0402 for the v-pro/gen3? The good, the bad, the ugly about it?
The description says: "1. Improve system stability" and "2. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at:" Improve system stability is what intrigued me. I'm all about stable systems.... LOL

The "description" is all I find.

I edited a few pieces of your post out of your quote so as to slim it down some and just reply to those that I am knowledgeable about.

Here is a list of the software on the Asus Installation CD that I found to be useful and/or necessary to install.

  • Intel_Chipset_*
  • Intel_LAN_*
  • NEC_USB3_*
  • Realtek_Audio_* (I only installed the drivers for this one, not the added software.)

I did not bother installing anything else from the Asus CDs on my second time around. (The first time around I installed everything possible.)
There's no need to install the Intel Rapid Storage Technology unless you are going to be using a RAID (or at least a striped array of some kind)
Also, you can disable the Marvell controller in your BIOS and avoid installing the Marvell software or drivers if you are not using 3 or more SATA III (6.0 gb/s) devices.

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You're not kidding.... It left pieces all over the place. All of the directories etc... are still sitting in the program folders. Services look like they have stopped. I may just nuke it and start over. Seeing how it took like 10 minutes tops to install the first time. Think I'll make a image this time. Win7 64 bit took 30 gigs of HD space.... crazy. I'd love to find a slim install version. I've never really worried about it in the past, but now that i have a 120 gig ssd. I dont feel like loading it up with crap. Need to save room for some games smile.gif

I'm going to give those programs DennyB sugested a shot first.

Ran into a BSOD after running for a hour or so @ 4300, same with 4100 and 3700. No heavy loads. Seems it may be video related. I notice some artifacts a split second before the crashes. Temps all see fine. CPU is running in the high 20's C by the time it reboots and i can get in the bios again. I'm still wondering about the ram. It's seen the sticks as 1333 a few times. I think I'll set the speed static in the bios and run it for a few.

Yeah, the un-install is not a clean un-install at all. The directories are orphaned and there are registry keys everywhere. The earlier versions even left services enabled but the later version disabled them (but didn't remove them). I think the latest version actually removes the service entries entirely. Either way, if you're not using it, it's bloat and it's a real pain in the rear to eliminate the orphans, even with CCleaner.

Real Temp and CPU-Z are the same programs that I use to monitor my temperatures and voltage and frequency respectively. HWInfo-64 is good, but I don't use it as it's redundant.

If your RAM is sticking at 1333 just set it to XMP for the RAM profile or manually set the frequency at 1600 and leave the timings on Auto and force the BIOS to accept it.
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Hello, i've found this awesome thread and thought i could post my problem here^^
I've got a Intel Core i5 2500k and for cpu cooling a Sycthe Mugen 3.
My Mianboard is a Asus P8Z68 V-GEN3 Board
For an hour i had a problem, my CPU went on 4,3 GHZ and the cores warmed up to 80-90 °c .
So i thought *** and rebooted.
Then my CPU when it does nothing is on 1648 mhz and all core have a tempature from 32 °C - 35°C .
Then i've downloaded prime 95 and started a stress test and then the temperature of my cores went to 80 °C again.
Wold be nice if someone can explain me what to do
I'm very sorry for my bad english
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Originally Posted by Overclockname View Post

Thanks guys. Good info.
Quote:
Make sure you are not overclocked when you flash your BIOS and always flash from the EZFlash boot menu or the USBFlash from a boot. Never flash a BIOS from within the OS! I can't emphasize that enough
Yeah, after reading through the manual it looked like the "ez flash 2" was about the only way I was gonna attempt this, if at all. Seemed to be the least troublesome. I would do it first thing, before I "mess" with anything. Thanks for the warnings.
I'm also getting the impression, from reading here and other places, that I shouldn't bother installing most of the mobo software that came with it. Anything worthwhile in it at all?
I'm dead in the water until I get a new keyboard anyway. Slight oversight on my part: the only 2 keyboards in the house are PS/2 connection. The v pro/gen3 only has usb connection.......doh.gif
Has anybody downloaded BIOS version 0402 for the v-pro/gen3? The good, the bad, the ugly about it?
The description says: "1. Improve system stability" and "2. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at:" Improve system stability is what intrigued me. I'm all about stable systems.... LOL
The "description" is all I find.

Yea, I updated my BIOS with a flash drive and had zero problems with doing so.
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I know it's considered bad form, but I've had no issues updating BIOS from AI Suite II via a file on the HD or from the BIOS loader itself with a flash drive.

That being said, I'm finding that I regret loading all the crap that you get when you go to the d/l page and get everything for your new mobo.

I may end up doing a reinstall when time allows, just to clean out the junk.
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