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Thanks. My current RAW files are only around 18mb each right now. A typical shoot yields less than a 100 pics for me that need to be batched white balanced together during import. So it will be less than 2GB that will be processed at the same time. More than likely, it will be batched processed in 2 or 3 different groups so it looks like I'll be more than OK with PS and 8GB of RAM. The out of the norm shoots that will fill up 16GB cards too will be batched processed in sections so it's not like all 16GB will be loaded in memory all at once.

And in regards to the 16 vs 20 phases, the comparison chart on Asus website does note 16 for both the Z68 DELUXE and PRO boards.
ASUS Digital Power Design :
- Industry leading Digital 16 Phase Power Design
(12 -phase for CPU, 4 -phase for iGPU)
- ASUS DIGI+ VRM Utility

So I guess then the main difference between the DELUXE and PRO Z68 board for my situation is the extra LAN port and the onboard video. I guess what will help me decide finally then is if I could find a friend to loan me a decent card for the next month or 2 or find a good enough deal on a card that I can re-use on another system when the GTX 680 gets released. If not, then the Z68 PRO/GEN3 will be what i'm picking up this week.
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1st of all I recommend dumping the AI Suite II software it's buggy at best beyond that go to the UEFI bios under the Monitor tab and disable CPU Q-Fan Ctrl and Chassis Q-Fan Ctrl, this will leave both at a static 100% and the error message will go away. If you need to attenuate the speeds use a dedicated fan controller.

Did you even read what I said?
My CPU Fan IS Connected to dedicated fan controller...
Even when I turn those Q-fan stuff off, it wont go away, and I already had them off.
And I know that AI Suite II is sucky&buggy, dont even have it installed.
Any better info?

Now Now don't get testy Yes I read your post but there could be another fan plugged into the CPU fan header besides your actual CPU fan. As stated by many other AiSuite II give false errors and readings I have no crystal ball that tells me you know that. I feel your pain but it's not my fault I'm just trying to help. If disabling CPU Q-Fan didn't get rid of the error message I'd say you need to update your bios. This has worked for others. GL.
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Now Now don't get testy Yes I read your post but there could be another fan plugged into the CPU fan header besides your actual CPU fan. As stated by many other AiSuite II give false errors and readings I have no crystal ball that tells me you know that. I feel your pain but it's not my fault I'm just trying to help. If disabling CPU Q-Fan didn't get rid of the error message I'd say you need to update your bios. This has worked for others. GL.

Well, there is no other fan plugged in. But I'll try updating BIOS because I just saw that there is newer version out smile.gif Thanks

EDIT: BIOS update didn't help frown.gif
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Thanks. My current RAW files are only around 18mb each right now. A typical shoot yields less than a 100 pics for me that need to be batched white balanced together during import. So it will be less than 2GB that will be processed at the same time. More than likely, it will be batched processed in 2 or 3 different groups so it looks like I'll be more than OK with PS and 8GB of RAM. The out of the norm shoots that will fill up 16GB cards too will be batched processed in sections so it's not like all 16GB will be loaded in memory all at once.

Well remember the images are decompressed into memory so an 18mb picture is MUCH larger than 18 MB raw's are losslessy compressed. For 12 Mp probably expecting 36 to 72 mb an image in memory depending on if your working in 8 bit editing mode or 16.

I got my 16GB Corsair 1600 because it was 100 bucks and ive seen 8 in use when using Adobe Media Encoder but cant say I bother checking for anything else since i at this point never have to worry.
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DONE! 12 hours of custom Blend using 89-90% of my 8 gig kit. hung out at 6.96-7.11Gb used. So, here is the proof.
First pic has prime still running after 12 hours, You can see RAM usage and CPU usage, along with the clock speed and the current voltage in CPU-z. OHW also sow's the CPU load, and the CPU core temps. You can also see the CPU wattage, and the Vcore my CPU peaked at while taking the test.
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The next pic I changed CPUZ to the main board for proof of mobo:) Prime is still running.
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Here is a pic just a second or two after I haled the test. 12 hours and 1 min with no issue's or errors.
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Can I please please please call it stable now lolol wink.gif I also wanna join the club, this board rocks socks! Thank you guys for the tips on stress testing my new i5 2500k smile.gif was a fun night.

Too bad you have not stumbled across this thread yet.

http://www.overclock.net/t/968053/official-the-sandy-stable-club-guides-voltages-temps-bios-templates-inc-spreadsheet/0_100

You could have joined 2 clubs today. wink.gif
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Thanks. My current RAW files are only around 18mb each right now. A typical shoot yields less than a 100 pics for me that need to be batched white balanced together during import. So it will be less than 2GB that will be processed at the same time. More than likely, it will be batched processed in 2 or 3 different groups so it looks like I'll be more than OK with PS and 8GB of RAM. The out of the norm shoots that will fill up 16GB cards too will be batched processed in sections so it's not like all 16GB will be loaded in memory all at once.

Well remember the images are decompressed into memory so an 18mb picture is MUCH larger than 18 MB raw's are losslessy compressed. For 12 Mp probably expecting 36 to 72 mb an image in memory depending on if your working in 8 bit editing mode or 16.

I got my 16GB Corsair 1600 because it was 100 bucks and ive seen 8 in use when using Adobe Media Encoder but cant say I bother checking for anything else since i at this point never have to worry.


FourDoor: You're going to be fine with 8 GB then and have no real need for 16 GB, thus, you should get the highest performance 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) package that your motherboard lists on the vendor hardware qualified list (with whichever BIOS version they state as being preferred) and stick with that. Memory timings aren't quite as important as memory frequency, so don't stress OCing your memory or goofing too much with your timings. 8 GB of 1833 or fast 1600 will out-perform any 16 GB solution that's anywhere near the same price range.

 

RainMotorSports: Yeah, even in a 18 MB RAW format opened in Photoshop, he's going to have to do a great deal of multiple file crunching to use up the full 6.X GB that Photoshop will reserve for system use.

 

Media Encoder is a different story. If FourDoor had said that he was doing heavy video encoding work then I'd be suggesting that he take a serious look at his memory use and that 16 GB may be called for in some cases of video editing and encoding. However, many of the Adobe products will gobble up as much memory as you allow them to; if you were to install 128 GB of RAM in a 64 bit OS then Photoshop will happily reserve 70% of that for image processing. (LOL)

 

In general:

 

It has been my experience that > 8 GB of RAM is useful if you're using Maya, 3DSMax, CAD/CAM software, some types of high-demand video encoding, SolidWorks, running a database server, or editing GB+ (or even TB+) satellite images. Obviously, it can be important in an enterprise environment for any number of purposes.

 

For the majority of gamers and enthusiasts, those who chose 16 GB over 8 GB did so because they got a good deal on the 16 GB package for just a few bucks more (good marketing), because the number looked bigger and seemed more impressive to post in their system signature (good marketing), or because their friends or other folks on the internet thought that it was necessary (thanks to good marketing) and talked them into it. Some gamers did so because they fall into the category where they frequently use 7.2 to 8.0+ GB of RAM and thus a 8 GB solution was not practical and in a dual-channel environment the next logical jump is 16 GB, which may be overkill for them, but it's the smallest that meets their needs. Those folks in that category should probably have chosen a triple-channel motherboard and gone with 12 GB of RAM, unless they're actually using 10.8 GB+ of memory, in which case fully populating dual-channel at 16 GB is probably better than fully populating triple-channel at 24 GB. This is because, if you have a triple-channel board, that's an entirely different story, as you're going to want to have 3 DIMMs installed and you're going to end up with 3 GB (3x 1 GB) , 6 GB (3x 2 GB), or 12 GB (3x 4 GB) installed for the best throughput.

 

In my case, 6 GB would be perfect for the type of gaming and general application work that I do on my PC, as I would almost never need to dip into a page file and my maximum memory use is right around 5.6 GB. However, as I'm dual-channel, 4 GB meant that I'd be thrashing on my HDD fairly often and 8 GB meant that I'd never need to dip into my pagefile. Thus, 8 GB is my sweet spot for performance on a more standard dual-channel board.

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Yeah I also built my system as a 5 year system so in 5 years 16GB is going to be phone ram tongue.gif (Probably more like 6 but anyways)
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in five years u'll have that much built in in ur sunglasses that will have smartphone built in into them smile.gif
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So, by using my "fix" of putting the video card (GTX 560 Ti) in the black slot, x2 speed? I haven't noticed any reduction in visual quality/framerates afterwards. I'll check CPU-Z and GPU-Z when I get home to see what they say, though I'm hesitant to mess with it. It's been stable for a while now and I don't want to return to the world of repeated bluescreens.

When I had my card in the black (x4) slot, I didn't notice a difference either. But now it's in the blue slot and GPU-Z & CPU-Z & Adia Extreme tells me it now at x16. I still haven't actually seen a visual difference, but there has to be. Guess my old eyes and brain can't keep up with what's going on visually, but the programs tell me different...lol...I don't blame you for not wanting to return to the blue screen world. I'm wondering if this is just inherent in the card you have. I didn't read it all, but when I skimmed some of the articles on it, seemed as though it's got problems that can't be resolved (unless you use it for target practice with a shotgun) and buy a new and different card for your machine. And I know that can be difficult too as money doesn't grow when you plant it. But I'd leave it alone for now and in the future (I'd wait a month or two) when all these next generation cards come out, the ones that are like $400-500 now will drop to a hundred and will be the best buy out there. That's what I'm waiting for myself and it'll be worth the wait.
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I have a question guys and gals. I have this optical drive. I was wondering if I could use it as an "external drive" by plugging it into my power eSATA port. Is this possible? If so, what cable would I need?
The reason I would like to do this is because all of my 5.25" bays are currently taken up by a fan and a fan controller. So, I would like to be able to use my burner without running cables from inside my case.

Yes, you could, but I don't think the e/SATA port will power the drive, you'd have to run power to it separately (which really isn't that big a deal). In fact you can take any of these wall plug-in power supplies that put out 12v to power it with. (This is if you don't want to use the power off your PSU, which you could also run a cable from to power the drive.) And lastly you could buy an external on sale and use it. I bought a Samsung USB burner for something like 25 bucks awhile ago. It was on sale. Nice too, one USB cable takes care of data and power. I was even thinking of getting the Blu-Ray burner version as they're cheap now too, but an internal is still cheaper so I'll probably go that route. Hope that helped.
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in five years u'll have that much built in in ur sunglasses that will have smartphone built in into them smile.gif

...That's funny and so true, but I'll be the kill-joy and say hopefully this will come true if we're not all gone off the planet by then....YIKES! devil.gif


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FourDoor: You're going to be fine with 8 GB then and have no real need for 16 GB, thus, you should get the highest performance 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) package that your motherboard lists on the vendor hardware qualified list (with whichever BIOS version they state as being preferred) and stick with that. Memory timings aren't quite as important as memory frequency, so don't stress OCing your memory or goofing too much with your timings. 8 GB of 1833 or fast 1600 will out-perform any 16 GB solution that's anywhere near the same price range.

RainMotorSports: Yeah, even in a 18 MB RAW format opened in Photoshop, he's going to have to do a great deal of multiple file crunching to use up the full 6.X GB that Photoshop will reserve for system use.

Media Encoder is a different story. If FourDoor had said that he was doing heavy video encoding work then I'd be suggesting that he take a serious look at his memory use and that 16 GB may be called for in some cases of video editing and encoding. However, many of the Adobe products will gobble up as much memory as you allow them to; if you were to install 128 GB of RAM in a 64 bit OS then Photoshop will happily reserve 70% of that for image processing. (LOL)

In general:

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For the majority of gamers and enthusiasts, those who chose 16 GB over 8 GB did so because they got a good deal on the 16 GB package for just a few bucks more (good marketing), because the number looked bigger and seemed more impressive to post in their system signature (good marketing), or because their friends or other folks on the internet thought that it was necessary (thanks to good marketing) and talked them into it. Some gamers did so because they fall into the category where they frequently use 7.2 to 8.0+ GB of RAM and thus a 8 GB solution was not practical and in a dual-channel environment the next logical jump is 16 GB, which may be overkill for them, but it's the smallest that meets their needs. Those folks in that category should probably have chosen a triple-channel motherboard and gone with 12 GB of RAM, unless they're actually using 10.8 GB+ of memory, in which case fully populating dual-channel at 16 GB is probably better than fully populating triple-channel at 24 GB. This is because, if you have a triple-channel board, that's an entirely different story, as you're going to want to have 3 DIMMs installed and you're going to end up with 3 GB (3x 1 GB) , 6 GB (3x 2 GB), or 12 GB (3x 4 GB) installed for the best throughput.

In my case, 6 GB would be perfect for the type of gaming and general application work that I do on my PC, as I would almost never need to dip into a page file and my maximum memory use is right around 5.6 GB. However, as I'm dual-channel, 4 GB meant that I'd be thrashing on my HDD fairly often and 8 GB meant that I'd never need to dip into my pagefile. Thus, 8 GB is my sweet spot for performance on a more standard dual-channel board.

Great info. I wish I had known this a few months back when I built my SB and bought 4x4GB of 1600 DDR3 ram. Oh well.
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My System
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k 44x at -0.015v offset Asus P8Z68 V Pro/1101 None 4x4 GB G.Skill Ripjaws X Series DDR3-1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel X25-M 80 Gb SSD Samsung HD321KJ 320GB Samsung F4 HD204UI 2.0 TB Dual DVD burners 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 7/64 HP Samsung 19" MS Ergonomic 4000 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX520W Antec Solo Logitech 
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