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post #7961 of 9343
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Originally Posted by malmental View Post

when I was running my 3570K on my Z68 I noticed the voltage ran slightly higher then on my current Z77 board
(in-between what I would call normal IB voltage on Z77 and SB on Z68)
but also I'm factoring a better BIOS and Digi-VRM system on my Z77.

We have gotten into this before. I think its just a flukie thing with your boards. My 3770K only needs 1.168v to pass IBT on max @ 4.4 with my Z68 board. And Asus z68 boards have the digi+ vrm feature as well.
my (now gone) P8Z68-M Pro doesn't have the typical Digi-VRM, look it up.
so it's not a fluky thing with my boards, it's this one board in-particular.
which leads me to believe that any board without the Digi-VRM might have this issue.
I've looked into this..

i'm in the process of lowering my voltage now since I am on a better mobo.
Edited by malmental - 12/29/12 at 9:05am
post #7962 of 9343
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my (now gone) P8Z68-M Pro doesn't have the typical Digi-VRM, look it up.
so it's not a fluky thing with my boards, it's this one board in-particular.
which leads me to believe that any board without the Digi-VRM might have this issue.
I've looked into this..
i'm in the process of lowering my voltage now since I am on a better mobo.

Well of course if you take the same chip, OC it on a 6 phase (without the digi+ vrm) and then on a 12 phase board with digi+ It's going to clock better and need less voltage on the new Z77. You just eluded to the fact it might be a z68~z77 difference which is completely untrue (at least in my case).

Perfect example... I sold my 2500K to a friend who bought a budget 6 phase Gigabyte board. He needs to feed it 1.33v to get 4.3 stable where on my board I could get 4.5 stable with 1.32v easily.

People always talk about "All you need is 6 phase to get 5.0GHz, blah, blah, blah" But it clearly makes a big difference to have a solid board with minimum 8+ phase IMO.
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post #7963 of 9343
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my (now gone) P8Z68-M Pro doesn't have the typical Digi-VRM, look it up.
so it's not a fluky thing with my boards, it's this one board in-particular.
which leads me to believe that any board without the Digi-VRM might have this issue.
I've looked into this..
i'm in the process of lowering my voltage now since I am on a better mobo.

Well of course if you take the same chip, OC it on a 6 phase (without the digi+ vrm) and then on a 12 phase board with digi+ It's going to clock better and need less voltage on the new Z77. You just eluded to the fact it might be a z68~z77 difference which is completely untrue (at least in my case).

Perfect example... I sold my 2500K to a friend who bought a budget 6 phase Gigabyte board. He needs to feed it 1.33v to get 4.3 stable where on my board I could get 4.5 stable with 1.32v easily.

People always talk about "All you need is 6 phase to get 5.0GHz, blah, blah, blah" But it clearly makes a big difference to have a solid board with minimum 8+ phase IMO.
agree to that..
post #7964 of 9343
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Anyone rocking an IB chip in any of these boards yet? I'm curious to know if any OC settings are way different than Sandy. Also, what was that Asus recommended static VRM frequency for sub 5.0 overclocks.. was is 350?

I used a Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3 for several months on my 3770K without any issues. Little to no difference in BIOS settings when I went to a Z77. Vcore about the same. Both boards could get it to 5.2GHz. Yes to the 350 setting too.
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I used a Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3 for several months on my 3770K without any issues. Little to no difference in BIOS settings when I went to a Z77. Vcore about the same. Both boards could get it to 5.2GHz. Yes to the 350 setting too.

If I may ask, why didn't you just stick with the Z68 board?
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post #7966 of 9343
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I used a Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3 for several months on my 3770K without any issues. Little to no difference in BIOS settings when I went to a Z77. Vcore about the same. Both boards could get it to 5.2GHz. Yes to the 350 setting too.

If I may ask, why didn't you just stick with the Z68 board?

No problem Jayjr1105. I wanted to play with a MSI MPower Z77, and then a Sabertooth Z77, for fun and to see if I could get better OCing results and bench scores.

I did with the MPower which was a great board for OCing, and not any difference with the Sabertooth - a dissapointment of a board.

Really, I would have been fine with the Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3 if I was not wanting to play with other MBs. I still have it and will probably put it into another computer soon as it is a fine MB for gaming, OCing, and general use. No problem using it with a 3770K and 3570K, as I have tried it with both and it has worked just fine.

Note: BIOS setting between sandy and ivy is mainly a lower vcore for the ivy - most, if not all, other settings are the same IIRC.
Edited by PCWargamer - 12/29/12 at 11:24am
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post #7967 of 9343
nice little story, I can relate to that... smile.gif
me, I just wanted a better board.. biggrin.gif
post #7968 of 9343
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the Sabertooth - a dissapointment of a board.
In what way did you find it disappointing?
post #7969 of 9343
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the Sabertooth - a dissapointment of a board.
In what way did you find it disappointing?

Well ucode, I expected it to outperform my Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3. I had hoped for better bench scores for cpu, mem, ssd and system benches and higher OCs.

I did get better performance from the MSI MPower Z77 which improved in all the bench areas while also allowing for lower vcore per/CPU OC.

But the Sabertooth Z77 was around the same as my P8Z68-V/Gen3, so it was a disappointment. For the price, it should have done something better.... redface.gif

I'm not really saying it is a bad board though. Just not what I had hoped it should be and expected it to be for the price. Nice MB, but I will not buy one again when I can get the same performance from less expensive boards, and better performance from less expensive boards too! The MPower is ~$30 cheaper than a Sabertooth.
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The only thing good about 'better' boards like the Sabertooth (at least, in terms of what I care about) is they're supposed to be better at overclocking.

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