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Use HCI Design Memtest to test memory overclocked and or default timings before running Prime. Keep in mind with most of these boards anything over 1333 is overclocked. Because running a full round of available test in Prime 95 is a rather long process it's best to run it first to avoid any headaches over what may be the cause of a failure and it's not designed to test memory specifically even there documentation states "some" memory tested. I have no doubt both programs stress memory effectively enough to have confidence you have a stable system it just that HCI design memtest is much faster and eliminates a source of frustration when running Prime. Make sure to setup and run HCI properly by running two iterations as described on there web site for the free version. IMHO use the paid version I think I paid 5 or 6 bucks for it and it does all the setting up for you to get an effective test.

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Originally Posted by owcraftsman View Post

Use HCI Design Memtest to test memory overclocked and or default timings before running Prime. Keep in mind with most of these boards anything over 1333 is overclocked. Because running a full round of available test in Prime 95 is a rather long process it's best to run it first to avoid any headaches over what may be the cause of a failure and it's not designed to test memory specifically even there documentation states "some" memory tested. I have no doubt both programs stress memory effectively enough to have confidence you have a stable system it just that HCI design memtest is much faster and eliminates a source of frustration when running Prime. Make sure to setup and run HCI properly by running two iterations as described on there web site for the free version. IMHO use the paid version I think I paid 5 or 6 bucks for it and it does all the setting up for you to get an effective test.

I was running it with iterations=equals number of cores as suggested in one website. I thought this is the proper way?

So would it be better if I overclock my RAM and GPU first before the CPU?
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

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Originally Posted by owcraftsman View Post

Use HCI Design Memtest to test memory overclocked and or default timings before running Prime. Keep in mind with most of these boards anything over 1333 is overclocked. Because running a full round of available test in Prime 95 is a rather long process it's best to run it first to avoid any headaches over what may be the cause of a failure and it's not designed to test memory specifically even there documentation states "some" memory tested. I have no doubt both programs stress memory effectively enough to have confidence you have a stable system it just that HCI design memtest is much faster and eliminates a source of frustration when running Prime. Make sure to setup and run HCI properly by running two iterations as described on there web site for the free version. IMHO use the paid version I think I paid 5 or 6 bucks for it and it does all the setting up for you to get an effective test.

I was running it with iterations=equals number of cores as suggested in one website. I thought this is the proper way?

So would it be better if I overclock my RAM and GPU first before the CPU?


All I can say is this is the way I do it which makes sense to me.

  1. I take a new build and test all at optimized defaults to eliminate defective parts. I'll run HCI overnight and Prime 24 hrs (w/AVX) 24 hrs. then conclude with stressing my GPU where I'll use OCCT or any combination of software that stress the GPU at 100% and scans for artifacts at the same time 3-4 hours here should be sufficient.
  2. If all goes well their I will move on to overclocking my memory to it's factory spec, for this example let's say it's a 1866 pair, I would engage the XMP mode one time only to record it's default timings top to bottom then use that to set manually in bios, furthermore I boost VCCIO and Vdimm slighty for insurance just in case I have a weak IMC proc., then test memory using HCI design Memtest. I usually run that until the slowest of the two iteration (usually the 2nd "all Remaining") 1 being (100%) of RAM and 2 (all remaining) reach a minimum of 200% coverage or overnight which is best. Paid version records all to a log, recording all errors short and long but continues to run, and is available even if the PC crashes to better diagnose the root cause. A quick look at their web site reveled they have a newer version, likely better, that I have not purchased yet but I purchased my version two years ago now. It may well be worth upgrading to but, I haven't yet, if I were you I would buy the current version and follow it's direction for best results.
  3. Once I know my overclocked memory is stable at default CPU clocks I will move on to OC the proc unless I plan to OC my GPU at which point now is the time for that otherwise you are putting the cart before the horse. At this time I see no good reason to overclock my memory beyond it's rated specs as there is very little performance gain to be had beyond that w/o headaches.
  4. Once I know my OCed GPU and Memory is rock solid at default CPU clocks it less likely they will be the root cause of an OC failure using Prime unless the failure is due to a voltage issue related to the proc itself. It's hard to rule any of that out of course but I'm saying it's less likely, as per usual you'll need to examine closely the failure to be sure. It's important to keep in mind by running your hardware overclocked it places a higher demand on the system bus in general including the IMC & chipset more specifically. Since these systems are designed to be overclocked typically their is a voltage or other bios parameter adjustment that can be made to effect a correction. Bottom line it's time to manual vcore overclock the proc using Prime. You'll need to understand what your low idle time x16 & high 100% laod vcore requirements are for a given clock. To determine this I typically use a custom blend w/max memory running 1344, 1792 & 2688 iterations say an hour each until I find the right voltages that pass.
  5. Now that I'm completely stable running those three I move on to offset mode. To check my settings I'm looking for the voltages to register in windows that I noted before as a requirement for low x16 and high 100% load vcore. As you may know dropping below the stock low idle vcore can cause idle time BSODs which is why I've taken this opportunity to point it out again. Depending on your proc specifically this will effect certain parameters as set in the bios play around with your setting until you see what you are looking for. Once I see the right voltages or slightly higher I will begin by testing the same three different iteration with Prime over again until I pass them.
  6. Now that I'm confident with voltages and temps it's time for a 24 hour max mem custom blend using all default iterations. Still there's no assurance you will pass but in most cases I'm very close at this point and only minor changes are in order. One thing for sure I'm not pulling my hair out trying to figure out what the problem is.

 

 

Once again nothing here is etched in stone, it's simply my method and it works for me. I hope this helps!

 

edit: corrected some spelling and grammar


Edited by owcraftsman - 1/13/13 at 11:55am
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All I can say is this is the way I do it which makes sense to me.
  1. I take a new build and test all at optimized defaults to eliminate defective parts. I'll run HCI overnight and Prime 24 hrs (w/AVX) 24 hrs. then conclude with stressing my GPU where I'll use OCCT or any combination of software that stress the GPU at 100% and scans for artifacts at the same time 3-4 hours here should be sufficient.
  2. If all goes well their I will move on to overclocking my memory to it's factory spec, for this example let's say it's a 1866 pair, I would engage the XMP mode one time only to record it's default timings top to bottom then use that to set manually in bios, furthermore I boost VCCIO and Vdimm slighty for insurance just in case I have a weak IMC proc., then test memory using HCI design Memtest. I usually run that until the slowest of the two iteration (usually the 2nd "all Remaining") 1 being (100%) of RAM and 2 (all remaining) reach a minimum of 200% coverage or overnight which is best. Paid version records all to a log, recording all errors short and long but continues to run, and is available even if the PC crashes to better diagnose the root cause. A quick look at their web site reveled they have a newer version, likely better, that I have not purchased yet but I purchased my version two years ago now. It may well be worth upgrading to but, I haven't yet, if I were you I would buy the current version and follow it's direction for best results.
  3. Once I know my overclocked memory is stable at default CPU clocks I will move on to OC the proc unless I plan to OC my GPU at which point now is the time for that otherwise you are putting the cart before the horse. At this time I see no good reason to overclock my memory beyond it's rated specs as there is very little performance gain to be had beyond that w/o headaches.
  4. Once I know my OCed GPU and Memory is rock solid at default CPU clocks it less likely they will be the root cause of an OC failure using Prime unless the failure is due to a voltage issue related to the proc itself. It's hard to rule any of that out of course but I'm saying it's less likely, as per usual you'll need to examine closely the failure to be sure. It's important to keep in mind by running your hardware overclocked it places a higher demand on the system bus in general including the IMC & chipset more specifically. Since these systems are designed to be overclocked typically their is a voltage or other bios parameter adjustment that can be made to effect a correction. Bottom line it's time to manual vcore overclock the proc using Prime. You'll need to understand what your low idle time x16 & high 100% laod vcore requirements are for a given clock. To determine this I typically use a custom blend w/max memory running 1344, 1792 & 2688 iterations say an hour each until I find the right voltages that pass.
  5. Now that I'm completely stable running those three I move on to offset mode. To check my settings I'm looking for the voltages to register in windows that I noted before as a requirement for low x16 and high 100% load vcore. As you may know dropping below the stock low idle vcore can cause idle time BSODs which is why I've taken this opportunity to point it out again. Depending on your proc specifically this will effect certain parameters as set in the bios play around with your setting until you see what you are looking for. Once I see the right voltages or slightly higher I will begin by testing the same three different iteration with Prime over again until I pass them.
  6. Now that I'm confident with voltages and temps it's time for a 24 hour max mem custom blend using all default iterations. Still there's no assurance you will pass but in most cases I'm very close at this point and only minor changes are in order. One thing for sure I'm not pulling my hair out trying to figure out what the problem is.


Once again nothing here is etched in stone, it's simply my method and it works for me. I hope this helps!

edit: corrected some spelling and grammar

Great guide as always! I knew that it would be more sensible to overclock the RAM and GPU first before the CPU. There are many guides here saying otherwise.

One thing I don't understand is why you run only two iterations of HCI Design Memtest? What I did last time was to run 4 different iterations of it because I use a 2500K quadcore CPU. Wouldn't that make more sense? I remember that that was the directive to me in using this program.
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Great guide as always! I knew that it would be more sensible to overclock the RAM and GPU first before the CPU. There are many guides here saying otherwise.

One thing I don't understand is why you run only two iterations of HCI Design Memtest? What I did last time was to run 4 different iterations of it because I use a 2500K quadcore CPU. Wouldn't that make more sense? I remember that that was the directive to me in using this program.

 

I bought my paid version of HCI a couple years ago Ver 2 I think and have not visited the site in as many years although I still use it. I see they have a new version and different instruction on how to use. My version you only ran 2 instances as recommended at that time. I see now what you are talking about reading in the new manual so I would follow the instruction to the letter as instructed for the current version like I mentioned above. I'm looking forward to trying the new version so thanks for the headsup.

 

In terms of overclocking methodology I'm not sure why folks would OC the proc first unless they view it as the only objective or only piece of hardware necessary to OC. The same folks think running there 1866 rated pair at 1866 as running it at default vs what it actually is at which is overclocked. This is why folks run into trouble and end up scratching their heads when things go wrong.

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Guys got a question maybe someone has experienced this before and can offer help. Every now and then while I'm typing something in a forum on a browser, Chrome or Firefox, the system will freeze for a split second and any key I typed is delayed. Interesting that the mouse still is working but can't selected anything on screen. Getting a little annoying...

Thanks.
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I have had graphics driver bugs do that to me. But I think there could other problems that could cause that.
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Had this problem for a while. May have to do a new fresh install one of these days. So annoying though.

Edit: This is on my P8Z68 Deluxe build. Not the one in my sig.

Thanks.
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The only time that has ever happened to me is when I have a Live Feed in a separate tab here on OCN.  The live feeds here on OCN update once every 30 seconds, so it would pause for a split second every 30 seconds.

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I bought my paid version of HCI a couple years ago Ver 2 I think and have not visited the site in as many years although I still use it. I see they have a new version and different instruction on how to use. My version you only ran 2 instances as recommended at that time. I see now what you are talking about reading in the new manual so I would follow the instruction to the letter as instructed for the current version like I mentioned above. I'm looking forward to trying the new version so thanks for the headsup.

In terms of overclocking methodology I'm not sure why folks would OC the proc first unless they view it as the only objective or only piece of hardware necessary to OC. The same folks think running there 1866 rated pair at 1866 as running it at default vs what it actually is at which is overclocked. This is why folks run into trouble and end up scratching their heads when things go wrong.

No problem.

Hmmm, so anything higher than 1333MHz for SB is an overclocked RAM module already? My RAM kits (2 kits of 2x2GB) are rated 1600MHz CAS7. I can run them stable at 1600MHz but at CAS9 and at Auto VCCIO and 1.5 Vdimm. Usually for 4 RAM modules, what setting do you have increase? Only CAS latency?
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