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post #8091 of 9343
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That's weird. But they do run at their rated specs when only 1 kit (2 modules) are running. So that means there are no problems with both kits.

I was also reading that this is a common case when you populate all 4 DIMMs, you have to lower the CAS from their rated settings. I thought this was pretty known here?

 

Using lower CAS # Latency settings means you're using "tighter" timings.  This is like overclocking.  What you need to do is "loosen" the timings by using higher numbers.  What are the exact stock specs for your memory sticks?  What does CPU-Z show in that far-right column in the Timings Table on the "SPD" tab?

 

 

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But me and TwoCables already said that our boards run at 1600MHz default. We have an SB chip.

 

Then that's the way that motherboard works.  It is an H67 board after all, and H67 is not for overclocking.  So, they have no good reason to make DDR3-1600 default to DDR3-1600.

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post #8092 of 9343
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Using lower CAS # Latency settings means you're using "tighter" timings.  This is like overclocking.  What you need to do is "loosen" the timings by using higher numbers.  What are the exact stock specs for your memory sticks?  What does CPU-Z show in that far-right column in the Timings Table on the "SPD" tab?

Yes I know that. This is why lower CAS-rated (faster timings) RAM modules are more expensive. As seen in my signature, the stock timings of my modules are 6-8-6-24-2N and yes that is what's in CPU-Z also. It's also what is written when you set the RAM to XMP.

What owcraftsman and error is pointing out is that my system is supposed to run at these CAS settings (CAS6) but with increased VDIMM and VCCIO voltages. It doesn't work on mine though.

Then that's the way that motherboard works.  It is an H67 board after all, and H67 is not for overclocking.  So, they have no good reason to make DDR3-1600 default to DDR3-1600.

What do you mean? I have a Z68 board.
post #8093 of 9343
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But me and TwoCables already said that our boards run at 1600MHz default. We have an SB chip.
no.
it only actually defaults to 1333MHz if running at 1600MHz then it was set that way previously in the past..
post #8094 of 9343
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no.
it only actually defaults to 1333MHz if running at 1600MHz then it was set that way previously in the past..

What do you mean?
post #8095 of 9343
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Using lower CAS # Latency settings means you're using "tighter" timings.  This is like overclocking.  What you need to do is "loosen" the timings by using higher numbers.  What are the exact stock specs for your memory sticks?  What does CPU-Z show in that far-right column in the Timings Table on the "SPD" tab?

Yes I know that. This is why lower CAS-rated (faster timings) RAM modules are more expensive. As seen in my signature, the stock timings of my modules are 6-8-6-24-2N and yes that is what's in CPU-Z also. It's also what is written when you set the RAM to XMP.

 

Oh.  I was getting the impression that the stock timings were closer to 9-8-9-28-2 due to getting set that way with Auto.  I looked at your sig, but I thought that you put them in there because you really want those timings or something.  I didn't understand, so I apologize.  I understand now.

 

In other words, all of this was giving me the impression that you had a backwards understanding of the timings.  Lots of people do.

 

 

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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Using lower CAS # Latency settings means you're using "tighter" timings.  This is like overclocking.  What you need to do is "loosen" the timings by using higher numbers.  What are the exact stock specs for your memory sticks?  What does CPU-Z show in that far-right column in the Timings Table on the "SPD" tab?

Yes I know that. This is why lower CAS-rated (faster timings) RAM modules are more expensive. As seen in my signature, the stock timings of my modules are 6-8-6-24-2N and yes that is what's in CPU-Z also. It's also what is written when you set the RAM to XMP.

What owcraftsman and error is pointing out is that my system is supposed to run at these CAS settings (CAS6) but with increased VDIMM and VCCIO voltages. It doesn't work on mine though.

 

What voltages have you tried?

 

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Using lower CAS # Latency settings means you're using "tighter" timings.  This is like overclocking.  What you need to do is "loosen" the timings by using higher numbers.  What are the exact stock specs for your memory sticks?  What does CPU-Z show in that far-right column in the Timings Table on the "SPD" tab?

Yes I know that. This is why lower CAS-rated (faster timings) RAM modules are more expensive. As seen in my signature, the stock timings of my modules are 6-8-6-24-2N and yes that is what's in CPU-Z also. It's also what is written when you set the RAM to XMP.

What owcraftsman and error is pointing out is that my system is supposed to run at these CAS settings (CAS6) but with increased VDIMM and VCCIO voltages. It doesn't work on mine though.

Then that's the way that motherboard works.  It is an H67 board after all, and H67 is not for overclocking.  So, they have no good reason to make DDR3-1600 default to DDR3-1600.

What do you mean? I have a Z68 board.

 

I was referring to malmetal's H67 board.

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post #8096 of 9343

Honestly I've never had trouble running all 4 dimm slots populated at the rated OC spec.

Although I'm no familiar with the F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH memory unless one of the sticks are defective or incompatible with your board or you are doing something wrong you should be able to run 4 of them at rated speed.

 

Simple steps as follows If you do it in this order you should have no trouble.

  1. With two sticks in your board in the proper dual channel 2 sticks config slots
  2. turn on PC and enter bios.
  3. Press F5 to set optimized defaults then F10 to save and exit.
  4. Your memory should now be running 1333
  5. Enter bios and verify
  6. Now on the AI Tweaker Page go to AI overclock Tuner and set it to XMP then F10
  7. Enter bios go AI Tweaker Page go to Dram Timing Control open and record on paper the top five entries on that page
  8. go back to AI Tweaker main page to AI Overclock tuner again and select Auto then F10 to save and exit
  9. Turn off machine and install the other two modules in the remaining two dimm slots
  10. Turn On PC and enter bios
  11. go to the AI Tweaker Page scroll to Memory Frequency select 1600
  12. got to Dram Timing Control and manually set the top five timings as recorded earlier and leave all else auto
  13. go back to AI Tweaker main page and scroll to DRAM Voltage and type 1.65
  14. Now set VCCIO to 1.10625 then press F10 to save and exit

 

If the system freezes one of a few thing may be wrong. 1) You may need a different bios 2) You may have a defective module 3)Your proc may need more vccio do not exceed 1.2vccio under any circumstances if that or below doesn't work it's likely something else. 4) You might have a defective Proc 5) You may have a defective dimm slot or motherboard. 6) There may be a compatibility issue with your current hardware. 

 

GSkill says they do not support combining two kits for 8GB and recommend buying an 8GB kit Likely good advice. Personally I'd stop fighting that memory.

 

However I dug out an extra set of Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M2A1866C9 and added them to my V-Pro today exactly as I illustrated above. I've been using this PC in my Home Theater at stock clocks for noise and temps. Then I slapped an Overclock on it of 4.6 and ran the newest HCI Design 4.0 Pro to a bit over 100% coverage to illustrate the ease in which these boards handle compatible memory.

 

 

Notable: Clearly the CPU is stressed in all 8 thread evenly. All I did was start an instance of the Pro version and the other four opened after I clicked ok on the prompt to do so. It automatically calculated the number of available cores hence the 4 additional windows/instances and each of the 5 instances at 3033MB each for a total of 15165 MB tested. I closed a few running apps to insure a nice cushion for the duration of the test which took approx 3 hrs to get to 100% coverage in all instances. I was quit impressed with the software and believe it will do nicely testing RAM.

 

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post #8097 of 9343
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by malmental View Post

no.
it only actually defaults to 1333MHz if running at 1600MHz then it was set that way previously in the past..

What do you mean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by owcraftsman View Post

Honestly I've never had trouble running all 4 dimm slots populated at the rated OC spec.
Although I'm no familiar with the F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH memory unless one of the sticks are defective or incompatible with your board or you are doing something wrong you should be able to run 4 of them at rated speed.

Simple steps as follows If you do it in this order you should have no trouble.
  1. With two sticks in your board in the proper dual channel 2 sticks config slots
  2. turn on PC and enter bios.
  3. Press F5 to set optimized defaults then F10 to save and exit.
  4. Your memory should now be running 1333
  5. Enter bios and verify
  6. Now on the AI Tweaker Page go to AI overclock Tuner and set it to XMP then F10
  7. Enter bios go AI Tweaker Page go to Dram Timing Control open and record on paper the top five entries on that page
  8. go back to AI Tweaker main page to AI Overclock tuner again and select Auto then F10 to save and exit
  9. Turn off machine and install the other two modules in the remaining two dimm slots
  10. Turn On PC and enter bios
  11. go to the AI Tweaker Page scroll to Memory Frequency select 1600

^
THIS...
post #8098 of 9343
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Oh.  I was getting the impression that the stock timings were closer to 9-8-9-28-2 due to getting set that way with Auto.  I looked at your sig, but I thought that you put them in there because you really want those timings or something.  I didn't understand, so I apologize.  I understand now.

In other words, all of this was giving me the impression that you had a backwards understanding of the timings.  Lots of people do.



What voltages have you tried?


I was referring to malmetal's H67 board.

Ah, nope I actually get the basic know-how of timings.

I've tried 1.65V VDIMM and 1.2V VCCIO.
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Honestly I've never had trouble running all 4 dimm slots populated at the rated OC spec.
Although I'm no familiar with the F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH memory unless one of the sticks are defective or incompatible with your board or you are doing something wrong you should be able to run 4 of them at rated speed.

Simple steps as follows If you do it in this order you should have no trouble.
  1. With two sticks in your board in the proper dual channel 2 sticks config slots
  2. turn on PC and enter bios.
  3. Press F5 to set optimized defaults then F10 to save and exit.
  4. Your memory should now be running 1333
  5. Enter bios and verify
  6. Now on the AI Tweaker Page go to AI overclock Tuner and set it to XMP then F10
  7. Enter bios go AI Tweaker Page go to Dram Timing Control open and record on paper the top five entries on that page
  8. go back to AI Tweaker main page to AI Overclock tuner again and select Auto then F10 to save and exit
  9. Turn off machine and install the other two modules in the remaining two dimm slots
  10. Turn On PC and enter bios
  11. go to the AI Tweaker Page scroll to Memory Frequency select 1600
  12. got to Dram Timing Control and manually set the top five timings as recorded earlier and leave all else auto
  13. go back to AI Tweaker main page and scroll to DRAM Voltage and type 1.65
  14. Now set VCCIO to 1.10625 then press F10 to save and exit

If the system freezes one of a few thing may be wrong. 1) You may need a different bios 2) You may have a defective module 3)Your proc may need more vccio do not exceed 1.2vccio under any circumstances if that or below doesn't work it's likely something else. 4) You might have a defective Proc 5) You may have a defective dimm slot or motherboard. 6) There may be a compatibility issue with your current hardware. 

GSkill says they do not support combining two kits for 8GB and recommend buying an 8GB kit Likely good advice. Personally I'd stop fighting that memory.

However I dug out an extra set of Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M2A1866C9 and added them to my V-Pro today exactly as I illustrated above. I've been using this PC in my Home Theater at stock clocks for noise and temps. Then I slapped an Overclock on it of 4.6 and ran the newest HCI Design 4.0 Pro to a bit over 100% coverage to illustrate the ease in which these boards handle compatible memory.




Notable: Clearly the CPU is stressed in all 8 thread evenly. All I did was start an instance of the Pro version and the other four opened after I clicked ok on the prompt to do so. It automatically calculated the number of available cores hence the 4 additional windows/instances and each of the 5 instances at 3033MB each for a total of 15165 MB tested. I closed a few running apps to insure a nice cushion for the duration of the test which took approx 3 hrs to get to 100% coverage in all instances. I was quit impressed with the software and believe it will do nicely testing RAM.

Bottom Line it's just that easy with the right hardware.

Thanks but as I've mentioned above I've already tried running the 2 kits individually at their rated spec and they boot just fine. I already set the timings and memory clock manually with their XMP-rated specs as instructed above. I even tried it with two different boards. I'm actually with the inital BIOS release for my board and this release is known to be the most stable for overclocking the CPU with Win7 so I refrain from updating as much as possible.

I have tried using 1.65V VDIMM and 1.2V VCCIO but the system just won't boot. Don't you think CAS6 with 4 populated DIMMs is just too much?

Yes, HCI Design Memtest is really a great software. I thought the program should run number of instances = number of threads? That's what I was doing manually with the free version, open 8 instances for 8 threads. In your case, why was it running 5 instances?
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^
THIS...

Well it's not, it is running at 1600MHz at default. I'm not lying here.
Edited by kevindd992002 - 1/15/13 at 6:07pm
post #8099 of 9343

@ Kevin I suggest you get some decent RAM what you have appears to work well as a 2x2GB kit but not combining two kits. Other folks with the same RAM have experienced the same thing. This is why I illustrated to you how easy it can be with a high quality module. I couldn't have been more simple or straight forward with the example. For you to continue to miss the point is beyond me but I wish you all the luck in the world discovering a solution.

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@ Kevin I suggest you get some decent RAM what you have appears to work well as a 2x2GB kit but not combining two kits. Other folks with the same RAM have experienced the same thing. This is why I illustrated to you how easy it can be with a high quality module. I couldn't have been more simple or straight forward with the example. For you to continue to miss the point is beyond me but I wish you all the luck in the world discovering a solution.

Oh ok, so a 2x4GB kit would be better? Actually, the kits I have are one of the best kits at their time. They were considered very very good overclockers.
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