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impatiently awaiting your results TC.. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

Oh wow.  Optimized it is then.  smile.gif

Thank you, malmental!


The P8P67 boards don't have that.  Besides, I prefer to affect both:  I want the lowest possible idle and load voltages.
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Is there a proof regarding the Optimized setting?

Ahh. But why would you want to affect both? You probably want the lowest possible idle and load voltage, yes, but if you increase the load voltage with Offset (in the process of looking for stability) you also increase the idle voltage. With the Additional Turbo Voltage setting, you just increase the load voltage while keeping the Offset to a minimum and thus the idle voltage is at a minimum as well.
post #8233 of 9343
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Quick Note regarding Voltage Scaling – Internal binning of both D1 and D2 parts we discovered consistent voltage scaling patterns.

1. For K series parts, the stock voltage supplied will allow for consistent overclocking generally up to a multiplier of 43x. There is potential for the multi to be raised to 44x depending on the load induced. This default voltage range be approx 1.240 to 1.260 under load.
2. Increased range between 44 to 47x multipliers will generally require a voltage range between 1.30 to 1.375V with an LLC recommended setting of medium to high to ultra high.
3. Increasing the range between 48 to 50x multiplier will generally require a voltage range between 1.40 to 1.500 with a LLC recommended setting of ultra high.
4. Increased range between 50 to 52 (52 generally considered peak max multiplier except for rare 54x parts) will generally require a CPU voltage range between 1.515 to 1.535V with LLC at Ultra High and potential fine adjustments to the CPU skew range.

Phase Control change to extreme – this value will allow for scaling to 50+ multi without issues
Duty Control change to extreme - this value will for scaling to 50+ multi without issues.

I'm @ 4.5GHz and run my LLC at medium, since Two Cables is at 4.7GHz (posted above) is why I think (or thought) maybe high LLC is better.
and for phase control 4.5-4.7 is not an extreme overclock so optimized is the proper setting depending on how high of a clock.

edit:
I have tried both settings mention (phase control) and I have monitored the voltages both ways.
Edited by malmental - 2/5/13 at 7:57pm
post #8234 of 9343
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impatiently awaiting your results TC.. smile.gif

 

The only changes that made any noticeable difference were enabling C3 and C6.  My Kill A Watt reading went down by 14-15W!

 

At first I thought it was due to changing to Optimized.  So I went back to Extreme; no change.

 

Then I thought it was due to using Medium instead of Ultra High.  So, I went back to Ultra High with my Offset at +0.005V and C3 and C6 disabled (I didn't want idle lock-ups or BSODs).  My power consumption went back up.

 

So then I figured it was due to disabling C3 and C6.  So I went back to Medium, Optimized, +0.,065V, but I left C3 and C6 disabled and the power consumption remained higher.

 

After that, I enabled C3 and C6 and I saw that 14-15W drop again!

 

In other words, I'm keeping my LLC at Medium with my Offset at +0.065V so that I get to have C3 and C6 enabled.  I realize that I could just experiment to see if I could get the same results with Ultra High, but I have also heard that lower LLC levels results in lower VRM temps.  So, I'm fine with this.  :)

 

I just might change Duty Control too.

 

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er

Is there a proof regarding the Optimized setting?

Ahh. But why would you want to affect both? You probably want the lowest possible idle and load voltage, yes, but if you increase the load voltage with Offset (in the process of looking for stability) you also increase the idle voltage. With the Additional Turbo Voltage setting, you just increase the load voltage while keeping the Offset to a minimum and thus the idle voltage is at a minimum as well.

 

Again though, the P8P67 boards don't have this setting.

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post #8235 of 9343
what's your duty control setting.?

edit:
on my ASRock Z68 I have Additional Turbo Voltage on auto (turbo enabled)..
and to be honest without going back into my P8Z77-M Pro BIOS I'm not sure about the turbo setting if it's there.
I'd disable it first and run my clock then I would enabled and reset my clock to see what's better.
another note on the ASRock, the voltages ran lower with the turbo enabled ..
Edited by malmental - 2/5/13 at 8:06pm
post #8236 of 9343
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what's your duty control setting.?

 

Well, up until about 30 seconds ago, it was Extreme.  Now it's T. Probe.  :)

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post #8237 of 9343
Yeah what about Duty Control setting, should it be the same as Phase Control?
post #8238 of 9343

According to the excerpt from the guide he posted, Extreme for both Phase Control and Duty Control may only be necessary for multipliers at 50 or above.

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post #8239 of 9343

My only reason for choosing Ultra High for LLC and Extreme for Phase Control and Duty Control is from this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBN-cBPs98&hd=1#t=7m38s

 

He overclocks the 2600K to 4.8 GHz which is like taking the 2500K to 4.7 GHz.

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post #8240 of 9343
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what's your duty control setting.?

Well, up until about 30 seconds ago, it was Extreme.  Now it's T. Probe.  smile.gif
tongue.gif

got your hardware monitor set (fans and temps settings).?
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