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My only reason for choosing Ultra High for LLC and Extreme for Phase Control and Duty Control is from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBN-cBPs98&hd=1#t=7m38s

He overclocks the 2600K to 4.8 GHz which is like taking the 2500K to 4.7 GHz.

So which is which?
post #8242 of 9343
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got your hardware monitor set (fans and temps settings).?

 

I control that stuff manually.  Actually, I don't even need to worry about it these days because my sig rig has become an internet and e-mail machine.  :)

 

 

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So which is which?

 

What do you mean?

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post #8243 of 9343
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What do you mean?

I mean should Phase and Duty Control be set to Extreme or something lower?
post #8244 of 9343
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

My only reason for choosing Ultra High for LLC and Extreme for Phase Control and Duty Control is from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vBN-cBPs98&hd=1#t=7m38s

He overclocks the 2600K to 4.8 GHz which is like taking the 2500K to 4.7 GHz.
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he was just showing a quick overclock, a quick full power overclock. I think he was mainly showing off the power of the board itself more than anything.
briefly went through most but not all options like a Cliff Notes version.
plus he didn't take thee time to tweak it out.

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post #8245 of 9343
You might want try using EIST instead of or with the C-states. At idle not only will the voltage be lowered, but the frequency as well. I would think that keeping the frequency low at idle would also benefit the VRM.

I run EIST enabled , C-states disabled, LLC disabled @4.5 GHz. I have the windows power management set up so my frequency at idle is 2.2GHz instead of 1.6GHz. Raising the low frequency limit from 1.6 to 2.2 raises my idle voltage up a bit - from 0.926 to 1.02V. At full load I get 1.264V @ 4.5GHz stable, but medium loads can go up to 1.32V because there is less droop.

Just to follow up what you are looking at here. I set LLC to medium and adjusted my offset so under full load I am at the same voltage as with LLC off. My idle voltages were slightly lower: 0.992 instead of 1.02, so there is some effect there. Not enough for me to enable LLC for 24x7 - I'd rather not.

I have overclocked up to 4.7 and found I had to have some level of LLC above 4.5Ghz to be stable, but 4.5 is where the wall starts for me and I have to start cranking up the volts and temperature to where I am uncomfortable for 24x7.
post #8246 of 9343
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post

What do you mean?

I mean should Phase and Duty Control be set to Extreme or something lower?
(depending on your clock speed) - thermal which is lower..

edit:
I use EIST with the C-states.
Edited by malmental - 2/5/13 at 8:31pm
post #8247 of 9343
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I mean should Phase and Duty Control be set to Extreme or something lower?

 

According to this excerpt which malmental posted maybe 30 minutes ago, they should probably be set to Extreme if using a multiplier of 50 or higher:

 

 

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Quick Note regarding Voltage Scaling – Internal binning of both D1 and D2 parts we discovered consistent voltage scaling patterns.

1. For K series parts, the stock voltage supplied will allow for consistent overclocking generally up to a multiplier of 43x. There is potential for the multi to be raised to 44x depending on the load induced. This default voltage range be approx 1.240 to 1.260 under load.
2. Increased range between 44 to 47x multipliers will generally require a voltage range between 1.30 to 1.375V with an LLC recommended setting of medium to high to ultra high.
3. Increasing the range between 48 to 50x multiplier will generally require a voltage range between 1.40 to 1.500 with a LLC recommended setting of ultra high.
4. Increased range between 50 to 52 (52 generally considered peak max multiplier except for rare 54x parts) will generally require a CPU voltage range between 1.515 to 1.535V with LLC at Ultra High and potential fine adjustments to the CPU skew range.

Phase Control change to extreme – this value will allow for scaling to 50+ multi without issues
Duty Control change to extreme - this value will for scaling to 50+ multi without issues.

 

This was written by JJ who's the guy in the video I posted.  However, I believe he wrote this guide after he did that Newegg TV video, so I think that this guide represents some things he may have learned.

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post #8248 of 9343
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You might want try using EIST instead of or with the C-states. At idle not only will the voltage be lowered, but the frequency as well. I would think that keeping the frequency low at idle would also benefit the VRM.

I run EIST enabled , C-states disabled, LLC disabled @4.5 GHz. I have the windows power management set up so my frequency at idle is 2.2GHz instead of 1.6GHz. Raising the low frequency limit from 1.6 to 2.2 raises my idle voltage up a bit - from 0.926 to 1.02V. At full load I get 1.264V @ 4.5GHz stable, but medium loads can go up to 1.32V because there is less droop.

Just to follow up what you are looking at here. I set LLC to medium and adjusted my offset so under full load I am at the same voltage as with LLC off. My idle voltages were slightly lower: 0.992 instead of 1.02, so there is some effect there. Not enough for me to enable LLC for 24x7 - I'd rather not.

I have overclocked up to 4.7 and found I had to have some level of LLC above 4.5Ghz to be stable, but 4.5 is where the wall starts for me and I have to start cranking up the volts and temperature to where I am uncomfortable for 24x7.

 

I have EIST and C1E enabled.

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post #8249 of 9343
same guy really, wow that's weird.
your probably right about the timing of the video and then the thread posting.
post #8250 of 9343
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same guy really, wow that's weird.
your probably right about the timing of the video and then the thread posting.

 

Well, the video was uploaded on January 11th of 2011 and his guide was posted on January 17th of 2011.  I don't know when they recorded the Newegg TV video, but the date in his UEFI BIOS says December 23rd.

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