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When did I said most of the time our processors do jobs? Please direct me to which my post I said that. If any I'm just referring between benchmark & real world applications. I said I don't think HDD/SSD benchmark use a lot of CPU processing power. The result will not show the true performance of the SSD. In real world application, such as gaming, rendering, etc, they will use CPU processing power a lot & this allow SSD to perform as it should be.

When running benchmark, we usually run it without anything running in the background. Common sense since we don't want to screw the result. Again I said I don't think HDD/SSD benchmark use a lot of CPU processing power. The result will not show the true performance of the SSD. Then, run something in the background, at least preventing the CPU from idling & therefore not entering C3/C6 sleep states. At the same time run HDD/SSD benchmark & see the result. If I have SSD I will already doing this & share the result here. I'm eager to see the result.
When did I said you confused between sleep & C3/C6?
Are you pissed at me? So, you have two accounts at OCN? This is the person who I corrected a couple pages back. Are you Catscratch too?

http://www.overclock.net/t/1012874/the-official-asus-p8p67-p8z68-p8z68-gen3-series-owners-club/8210#post_19224195
If this become pissing contest, then I won't post in this thread anymore. I'm not a child but I don't want to create tension among us.

I've read C3/C6 & SSD issue since first generation Intel Core i processors. I have not see any benchmark result from 2nd generation aka Sandy Bridge. Also only some who share their result & some claims their SSD benchmark not effected at all but didn't share the benchmark result. Basically, there's a lot of chat on this but no one doing the test, as far as I know.

Not pissed at all. I guess we just misunderstand each other. Stop, let's move on. I got you. Thanks.
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Tell that to Hardware Secrets:

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/611

That dates back to 2008 (! biggrin.gif ) and that is not the usage for current processors. hardwaresecrets isn't calling them sleep states but I think trying to describe what they do int terms that an average reader can understand.

Look at the Intel specs and other links I posted earlier in this thread. The C states occur under the G0 state, which is the working state. with C0 being the active state (also considered one of the idle states). The S states occur under the G1 State, which is the sleeping state.

Now. It may be that Intel is mixing it up again with Haswell biggrin.gif

Anyhow it isn't that big of a deal
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Can you show me the Intel specs and links you posted?  I'm not challenging you, but I'd rather not have to go looking for it.

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I did quick run CrystalDiskMark benchmark on my laptop. Unfortunately I don't have SSD & Sandy Bridge computer. My laptop has quad core 1st gen Intel Core processor. There's only small variation with either C3/C6 states disabled or enabled. HDD not fast like SSD, so it doesn't show any difference I guess. What I can conclude from this is that my HDD performance is not effected. What I can show here is that CPU still entering C3/C6 states while benchmark is running which proved my point in my previous post.

The tool I use to monitor C-States is CState which was written by ThrottleStop author, unclewebb.

I did three sets of test:-
1) C3 & C6 states enabled
2) C3 & C6 states enabled - CPU loaded using IBT
3) C3 & C6 states disabled

This is picture for no. 1 showing CPU still entering C3 & C6 states while benchmark is running. CPU spent a lot of time in C6 though.


This one I ran IBT to prevent CPU from entering C3/C6 states.


I'm just showing how I ran the test, not about the scores. My scores meaningless because I don't have SSD.
Edited by kizwan - 2/7/13 at 5:26am
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Can you show me the Intel specs and links you posted?  I'm not challenging you, but I'd rather not have to go looking for it.

I took the time to gather a few useful links and post them. If you can't be bothered t o go back a few pages to find it and learn something I can't. It is in the datasheet 1 for your processor.
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RealTemp T|I Edition
http://www.overclock.net/t/1330144/realtemp-t-i-edition

I added C State monitoring to the latest version of RealTemp.

The bios on my Asus desktop board lets you pick and choose what C States the CPU uses so it should be easy to do some SSD comparison benchmarks.

Even during the middle of a SuperPI bench, individual cores will still be spending a big chunk of time in C6 if this is enabled.

superpicstate.png

When using C6, the software reported core voltage becomes a meaningless number. It doesn't matter if core voltage is high or low because 99% of the time, your individual cores will be in C6 getting close to 0 volts. When using C6 you can go with a fixed voltage and even a high multiplier when idle without any measurable difference in power consumption because your cores are in a low power state already.
Edited by unclewebb - 2/7/13 at 9:00am
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I took the time to gather a few useful links and post them. If you can't be bothered t o go back a few pages to find it and learn something I can't. It is in the datasheet 1 for your processor.

 

It would be significantly easier for you to find your post than it would be for me to find it because you're the one who posted it.  Not only that, but I use the 100 Posts Per Page setting, and I also don't remember you posting it so I don't even have an approximate time or date of when you posted it!  So, do you really expect me to sift through what could be a few hundred posts just to find it?  If you really want me to see your post, then help me find it.

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It would be significantly easier for you to find your post than it would be for me to find it because you're the one who posted it.  Not only that, but I use the 100 Posts Per Page setting, and I also don't remember you posting it so I don't even have an approximate time or date of when you posted it!  So, do you really expect me to sift through what could be a few hundred posts just to find it?  If you really want me to see your post, then help me find it.

Come on now kids biggrin.gif is this the post?
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Here are a few links explaining C-states (and other power management features):

http://impact.asu.edu/cse591sp11/Nahelempm.pdf

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2919/4

And the Intel Second Generation datasheet has a good definitive description (pre-Haswell) in the Power Management section:

http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/2nd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.pdf
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Took me 2 minutes to find the post 2 days ago. I'd say your are right GeneO... lazy

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1012874/the-official-asus-p8p67-p8z68-p8z68-gen3-series-owners-club/8200_50#post_19219468

 

All I did was click on your name then all post scroll down a bit and wala

 

@ unclewebb thanks for pointing to your update I missed it Thanks too for all you do.

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Wow.  You guys are rude.  Maybe I should just stop posting in this thread.

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