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@ TC I hear if you try a snickers bar it helps

 

heh

 

You should have done it the way am dew1 did it:  he posted it and decided to make it fun by joking around a little bit.  The way you did it was rude because of your unnecessary (and rude) commentary.  You're just as bad as Gene.


I thought have a snicker for a diva was funny. Grow up big boy and stop airing your selfish personal grievances in this thread and stay on topic this is OCN not facebook no wonder you have 44K post. Some of us would rather not have to scroll through all this junk. I pointed to his post to be helpful and because you spent more time trying to make him look foolish than finding the post he mentioned, I was sick of reading it. Another thing I never called you stupid and don't see where GeneO did either. Your threat to leave here is childish and may point to the real problem but if I have an opinion I will make it any way I see fit within the rule of this forum.

 

 

@ geoxile try system restore go back past the updates and see if this behavior goes away

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Then I'll break it down:

 

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Took me 2 minutes to find the post 2 days ago. I'd say your are right GeneO... lazy

 

This comment was rude and unnecessary.  Why did you say it?  Why couldn't you have just said, "I may have found it" and left it at that?  Does it bother you that I'm not perfect?  What's the deal?

 

 

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All I did was click on your name then all post scroll down a bit and wala

 

This sounds like you think I'm stupid too.

 

Like the first comment, this one was unnecessary.  All you had to do was post it up and say "Hey, I think I found it", and then I would have thanked you and that would have been the end of it.  Can you see the difference here?  There was no need for you to add these little comments in.

 

I mean, look at the way am dew1 handled it.  He knows better than to make unnecessary comments like that.

 

Finally, I did not say that Gene called me stupid. Instead, he's just plain rude.  If he would have done what am dew1 did, then there would have been absolutely no problem.  Like you said, finding Gene's post was easy, so if it was so easy then Gene should have had no problem finding his post for me instead of being a jerk about it.

 

I'm getting sick of the piss-poor attitude of some of you on here.  Take am dew1's lead and do things right.  If you can't do that, then get out of the way and let someone else help who knows how to keep the peace.


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wow, topic's gone little off topic but I do have a question. I went back to normal/stock settings to replicate what Kizwan did - CDM runs just fine and obviously C states kick in, much harder at times compared to others but when I try and do it with IBT, the computer froze instantly. This is stock, I've never tried it before so is that normal? I know my chip is a POS, just look at my Stable Sandy run but shouldn't it be able to run IBT at stock?
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It would be significantly easier for you to find your post than it would be for me to find it because you're the one who posted it.  Not only that, but I use the 100 Posts Per Page setting, and I also don't remember you posting it so I don't even have an approximate time or date of when you posted it!  So, do you really expect me to sift through what could be a few hundred posts just to find it?  If you really want me to see your post, then help me find it.

Sorry I was snippy, I was running late this morning. Unfortunately the forum structure doesn't make it easier for me to find than anybody else. What I posted was in the last few days in response to the discussion here about C-state. I assumed you knew that - sorry.

It is easier for me just to get it from the Intel site biggrin.gif

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/2nd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.html

section 4, power management

BTW, note there is also an S0 "awake" state that is fully powered on that comes under G0-working that the C-states fall under. Under Haswell I believe they are going to introduce some "sub" S0 states and they call them sleep states, which muddies things a bit. They will be for "sort of" sleep states while the user is interacting with the system, which blurs the boundaries a bit.

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Sorry I was snippy, I was running late this morning. Unfortunately the forum structure doesn't make it easier for me to find than anybody else. What I posted was in the last few days in response to the discussion here about C-state. I assumed you knew that - sorry.

It is easier for me just to get it from the Intel site biggrin.gif

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/2nd-gen-core-desktop-vol-1-datasheet.html

section 4, power management

Cheers

 

Whoa, thank you.  I take back every negative thing I said.  I apologize for allowing myself to have the wrong impression of you.

 

I accept your apology too, Gene!

 

So it seems they call them Processor Core / Package Idle States, and they say that when it's in the C3 state, it's in a Deep Sleep "processor state".  C6 is a "Deep Power-down" processor state.  So I guess on one hand you can call them Idle States, but on the other you can call them Sleep States.
 

Interesting stuff, and I like how this clarifies exactly what C1/C1E is too.

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wow, topic's gone little off topic but I do have a question. I went back to normal/stock settings to replicate what Kizwan did - CDM runs just fine and obviously C states kick in, much harder at times compared to others but when I try and do it with IBT, the computer froze instantly. This is stock, I've never tried it before so is that normal? I know my chip is a POS, just look at my Stable Sandy run but shouldn't it be able to run IBT at stock?


Your chip POS or not should run IBT at default settings unless there is a bad setting other than default or in some cases I've heard of folks redownloading IBT from a different source and the trouble went away. If you set optimized defaults in bios and can not pass at least 20 passes of IBT you may have a defective proc. 

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Whoa, thank you.  I take back every negative thing I said.  I apologize for allowing myself to have the wrong impression of you.

I accept your apology too, Gene!

So it seems they call them Processor Core / Package Idle States, and they say that when it's in the C3 state, it's in a Deep Sleep "processor state".  C6 is a "Deep Power-down" processor state.  So I guess on one hand you can call them Idle States, but on the other you can call them Sleep States.

 
Interesting stuff, and I like how this clarifies exactly what C1/C1E is too.

I rushed out the door after posting this morning and got caught in a traffic jam anyhow - took me 20 minutes to traverse a mile because of some downed power lines.

But Arrggggh, no you can't call them sleep states. The S states are the sleep states, the C states are idle states irregardless of how they chose to describe the C3 idle-state.

The difference is that currently the sleep states the computer is not interactively being used and requires intervention to wake it up. The idle states the computer is interactively being used and don;t require anything to bring it into the active state.

Now that distinction is blurred with Haswell, where they have named some new low power interactive states as sleep states (but also refer to them as idle states). I would guess there might have been some internal disagreements on whether to call the sleep (S) or idle (C) states.
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Ok thanks but hmmm lol it won't, can't help but laugh seeing as I knew it was bad .. appears it's even worse than I thought or maybe I've killed it enough during my use. It should last until next chipset/CPUs and I'll decide what to do then, if they're useless I'll just grab a cheap Ivy.
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wow, topic's gone little off topic but I do have a question. I went back to normal/stock settings to replicate what Kizwan did - CDM runs just fine and obviously C states kick in, much harder at times compared to others but when I try and do it with IBT, the computer froze instantly. This is stock, I've never tried it before so is that normal? I know my chip is a POS, just look at my Stable Sandy run but shouldn't it be able to run IBT at stock?

Well the C-states could be lowering your idle enough that it is unstable. Is IBT stable with the C-states disabled now?
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