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Ok. Do you know how these states affect the stability of the system?

 

No, but I'm not worried about it.  CPU-Z reports the same voltages with my new settings of Medium LLC, offset +0.065, C3 and C6 enabled.  Before I had Ultra High, +0.005V, and C3 and C6 disabled.  I always have EIST and C1E enabled.

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post #8392 of 9344
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I guess it all depends on the quality of the CPU and/or motherboard.

With lower LLCs, I can enable them without any problems though. The only downside is that my load vcore should be higher.
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post #8393 of 9344
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No, but I'm not worried about it.  CPU-Z reports the same voltages with my new settings of Medium LLC, offset +0.065, C3 and C6 enabled.  Before I had Ultra High, +0.005V, and C3 and C6 disabled.  I always have EIST and C1E enabled.

Then that simply means that C3 and C6 makes idle voltages lower. Because of you keep them disabled and go to a lower LLC, your idle voltages should definitely be higher because of the higher Offset setting to keep the load vcore fairly the same as when you were with higher LLCs.
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post #8394 of 9344
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With lower LLCs, I can enable them without any problems though. The only downside is that my load vcore should be higher.

 

I would think that it's better to have lower load voltages than lower idle voltages.  So, I would disable C3 and C6.

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post #8395 of 9344
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Then that simply means that C3 and C6 makes idle voltages lower. Because of you keep them disabled and go to a lower LLC, your idle voltages should definitely be higher because of the higher Offset setting to keep the load vcore fairly the same as when you were with higher LLCs.

 

Yeah, but my idle and load voltages are identical to what they were before according to CPU-Z.  So the only things I think I changed are the idle power consumption and probably my VRM temps.  One nice thing about lowering VRM temps is it can help increase (or achieve) system stability.

 

I forgot that I also have Phase Control set to Optimized, and Duty Control set to T. Probe.  I used to have both set to Extreme.

 

There's one nice benefit that I got from all of these changes:  I used to have weird and random brief performance hiccups while watching DVDs.  Well, that has become a thing of the past with these new settings!


Edited by TwoCables - 2/13/13 at 1:49am
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post #8396 of 9344
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Yeah, but my idle and load voltages are identical to what they were before according to CPU-Z.  So the only things I think I changed are the idle power consumption and probably my VRM temps.  One nice thing about lowering VRM temps is it can help increase (or achieve) system stability.

I forgot that I also have Phase Control set to Optimized, and Duty Control set to T. Probe.  I used to have both set to Extreme.

There's one nice benefit that I got from all of these changes:  I used to have weird and random brief performance hiccups while watching DVDs.  Well, that has become a thing of the past with these new settings!

Yeah but my point was that enabling c3 and c6 were the ones responsible for having your medium LLC idle voltages equal to your ultra high LLC idle voltages, correct?
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post #8397 of 9344
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Yeah but my point was that enabling c3 and c6 were the ones responsible for having your medium LLC idle voltages equal to your ultra high LLC idle voltages, correct?

 

I think so, with a combination of my very different Offset.

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post #8398 of 9344
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Yeah but my point was that enabling c3 and c6 were the ones responsible for having your medium LLC idle voltages equal to your ultra high LLC idle voltages, correct?

Have you tried getting help in here : http://www.overclock.net/t/1219588/updated-part-ii-offset-mode-overclocking-starter-guide-and-thread/90

I used this thread basicly to get my nice and stable offset vcore.
Should be lot of knowledge in that thread
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post #8399 of 9344
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I think so, with a combination of my very different Offset.

Yeah.
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Have you tried getting help in here : http://www.overclock.net/t/1219588/updated-part-ii-offset-mode-overclocking-starter-guide-and-thread/90

I used this thread basicly to get my nice and stable offset vcore.
Should be lot of knowledge in that thread

Do you have c3 and c6 enabled too? I have no problems getting stable when those are disabled.
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Do you have c3 and c6 enabled too? I have no problems getting stable when those are disabled.

Can not say out of the top of my head, will check it when I'm home and let you know.
Will post all my settings so you can compare.
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