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So I have essentially no techical background/knowledge of computers. I'm thinkin of picking it up as a hobby, and have started to do basic research so i can strengthen my understanding. I've created a build, and i was hoping i'd be able to get some feedback/advice from people more experience than myself(so basically 99.99% of people on here). I'm in this solely for gaming, trying to put together a nice rig for Skyrim, since my 3 year old laptop just isn't going to cut it. So here's my build:

ASrock P67 Fatal1ty (heard is was a quality board, simple to OC)
i7 2600k (would i5 2500k be sufficient)
Crossfire Radeon 2GB 6950's (flashed to 6970)
Corsair H70
G Skill 2x4GB 1866 (could i utilize 2133 if i OC?)
Antec 1000w (too much?)
2 Corsair Force 40GB SDD (Raid0)
Hiatchi 2TB 7200
Eyefinity set up with 21.5" Samsung BX2231
Rosewill Armor Mid ATX case
Toss in a blue ray/dvd/cd-rom drive.

If anything i typed doesnt make sense, please let me know lol. Like i said, i litterally have a week or 2 of attemped comprehension here. Any and all suggestions would be appreciated
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i5 2500k is PLENTY for gaming.
motherboard is plenty good for oc-ing.
don't rely on the 6950's to flash to 6970 without further headaches down the line.
depending on how much OC-ing you're planning on doing, noctua/thermalright heatsinks may provide cheaper/better alternatives to the H70.

Yes could utilise 2133 if you OC.
1000W is plenty but that means your PSU will run in a lower stress loading which may be higher efficiency.

You've pretty much got it nailed with your system choice Pretty good!!
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post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by DaXxJaPxX View Post
So here's my build:

ASrock P67 Fatal1ty (heard is was a quality board, simple to OC)
i7 2600k (would i5 2500k be sufficient)
Crossfire Radeon 2GB 6950's (flashed to 6970)
Corsair H70
G Skill 2x4GB 1866 (could i utilize 2133 if i OC?)
Antec 1000w (too much?)
2 Corsair Force 40GB SDD (Raid0)
Hiatchi 2TB 7200
Eyefinity set up with 21.5" Samsung BX2231
Rosewill Armor Mid ATX case
Toss in a blue ray/dvd/cd-rom drive.
- Motherboard is good
- CPU: Go with 2500k, it's more than enough for what you want to do
- CPU Cooler: I'd change the H70 to a Thermalright Silver Arrow
- RAM: Is good, you may or may not be able to overclock them Sandy Bridge is a bit iffy when it comes to RAM oc, but 1866 is great as it is!
- PSU: Good
- SSD: From memory I don't believe those drives support trim (not going to explain what that means/does here sorry) so running them in RAID might pose some issues. Your better off going with a single 60GB or 80GB, the new OCZ Vertex3 are out and are very fast! Or if you would like to RAID then go with Kingston v+ line, they support trim.

- HDD: Go with a Samsung Spinpoint F3 or WD Black
- Case: I'd go with a Corsair 650D simply because it has better cable management, better build quality and removable hard drive cages. OR CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced (same reasons as above).

Hope I didn't complicate things for you
post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by hirolla888 View Post
- Motherboard is good
- CPU: Go with 2500k, it's more than enough for what you want to do
- CPU Cooler: I'd change the H70 to a Thermalright Silver Arrow
- RAM: Is good, you may or may not be able to overclock them Sandy Bridge is a bit iffy when it comes to RAM oc, but 1866 is great as it is!
- PSU: Good
- SSD: From memory I don't believe those drives support trim (not going to explain what that means/does here sorry) so running them in RAID might pose some issues. Your better off going with a single 60GB or 80GB, the new OCZ Vertex3 are out and are very fast! Or if you would like to RAID then go with Kingston v+ line, they support trim.

- HDD: Go with a Samsung Spinpoint F3 or WD Black
- Case: I'd go with a Corsair 650D simply because it has better cable management, better build quality and removable hard drive cages. OR CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced (same reasons as above).

Hope I didn't complicate things for you
Thanks for both of your inputs. You say the i5 2500k would be enough, im just wondering what advantages if any i would see when running maxed out gamplay running the i7 2600k.

Haven't done enough reading to look past simply flashing the 6950's. If there is a good chance i'll run into problems, i'll probably just run them stock then.

Hirolla, i'll look up all of your suggestions, cant hurt. Googled TRIM, have a basic understanding now, and you are right. "The most recent Intel driver will pass the TRIM command to an individual solid-state drives connected to the current Intel ICH and PCH controllers if the controller is in RAID mode or AHCI mode"--> please explain, its like reading shakespeare in high school, lol. I can read it but it doesn't make sense :-p.
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|U2711| |2x KBC Pokers MX Red| |Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200w| |NZXT Phantom 820| 
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http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...rim-for-raid/1

is this saying TRIM is now possible in RAID0/RAID1?
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post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by soulster View Post
i5 2500k is PLENTY for gaming.
motherboard is plenty good for oc-ing.
don't rely on the 6950's to flash to 6970 without further headaches down the line.
depending on how much OC-ing you're planning on doing, noctua/thermalright heatsinks may provide cheaper/better alternatives to the H70.

Yes could utilise 2133 if you OC.
1000W is plenty but that means your PSU will run in a lower stress loading which may be higher efficiency.

You've pretty much got it nailed with your system choice Pretty good!!
As for OCing, kinda wanted to push it to atleast 4.5ghz as i have no idea what im doing really, lol. from what i've been reading, sounds like 4.3-4.5 is a safe place to be, and going higher is a lot of trial and error with voltage that i don't feel i could do
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DaXxJaPxX View Post
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...rim-for-raid/1

is this saying TRIM is now possible in RAID0/RAID1?
That was actually a misprint. The actual thing behind that event was the TRIM was enabled if your drive controller was set to RAID, but ONLY if the SSD was alone and not in an array. As far as I know TRIM is not supported on any RAID SSD configuration to date. Even a single SSD is blazingly fast, I would recommend a single larger SSD since TRIM will be a benefit and you don't need to worry about the hassle of a RAID array. If price is no barrier then the newest Vertex 3 or something like the Corsair Performance 3 would be perfect, since it is ridiculously fast. Otherwise you could go for the very popular Crucial C300. 64GB is a good amount for a system drive, as long as you offload music and movies to a separate drive, as well as games.
Edited by LemonSlice - 5/11/11 at 7:38pm
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To the OP, I just bought my 2500k and have never overclocked intel becauase I was always a amd guy and I was able to overclock this chip very easily to 4.5 ghz. There is a ton of places and help on ocn to get that chipped overclock and a lot of people use that board so it will be easy to get through the bios because there is a lot of people that know it.

But I would go for the i5-2500k and with the money saved get larger ssd's for your raid set up. I don't know much about psu's so I could not mention anything but everything else looks solid.
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i have a 2600k and its more than enough, the i5 2500k is also more than enough, but the 2600k runs at high heat levels, so 2500k the way to go for now, plus the p67 still have plenty to work out
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post #10 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaXxJaPxX View Post
Thanks for both of your inputs. You say the i5 2500k would be enough, im just wondering what advantages if any i would see when running maxed out gamplay running the i7 2600k.

Haven't done enough reading to look past simply flashing the 6950's. If there is a good chance i'll run into problems, i'll probably just run them stock then.

Hirolla, i'll look up all of your suggestions, cant hurt. Googled TRIM, have a basic understanding now, and you are right. "The most recent Intel driver will pass the TRIM command to an individual solid-state drives connected to the current Intel ICH and PCH controllers if the controller is in RAID mode or AHCI mode"--> please explain, its like reading shakespeare in high school, lol. I can read it but it doesn't make sense :-p.
- In game play you will not notice any extra performance using the 2600k over the 2500k, especially when they are overclocked. Main difference between i7 and i5 is that i7 has hyper threading, which will usually only be of use to you if you do a lot of CPU intensive stuff such as video editing/rendering. That's not to say that the 2500k isn't good at editing, it's just that the i7 would be better.

- RE 6950: If you get a reference design 6950, you should have no problem unlocking it. I would recommend just unlocking the shaders as oppose to a full 6970 BIOS flash as that will change the memory timings, which could cause some problems for you. Simply unlocking the shaders and overclocking is the best route to take, plenty of threads and tutorials on the net to guide you through this so dw.

P.S There are cases where people have unlocked non reference design cards, 2GB and 1GB ones, not 100% sure of this but there a few threads about this, you might be interested in looking in to it.

- RE TRIM: Intel drivers have trim support for SSD RAID, however your SSD itself will need to support trim too for this to work. As I suggested before your best option would be to grab a single 60 or 80GB drive either one of the new gen drives (Vertex 3) which are very fast or one of the last gen ones which are now dropping in price a bit (Vertex 2, Corsair Force Series etc).
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