Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [TH] The Intel Z68 Express Review: A Real Enthusiast Chipset
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TH] The Intel Z68 Express Review: A Real Enthusiast Chipset - Page 6

post #51 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by lethal View Post
My 1st attempt at a news post.. hope I did it right. Personally this is the chipset I've been waiting for. Large SSD's (that can handle the space demands of all my games) are just too expensive for my new build budget at this point. SSD caching fills a nice gap in performance there for me.
you should try using steam mover. that's what i use to move my games to the ssd drive. works for non steam games as well
Current PC
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 @ ~3.6 EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 X58 3-Way SLI BFG GTX 285 OC Mushkin 6GB 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Intel 120GB SSD, Seagate Barracuda 1.5 Windows 7 Corsair 750 HAF 932 
  hide details  
Reply
Current PC
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 @ ~3.6 EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 X58 3-Way SLI BFG GTX 285 OC Mushkin 6GB 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
Intel 120GB SSD, Seagate Barracuda 1.5 Windows 7 Corsair 750 HAF 932 
  hide details  
Reply
post #52 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcc21 View Post
I purchased the Z68 board last week. It was a new build so I went with the latest board. After talking to the technicians at the store and reading online, I decided to just go separate SSD and a regular harddrive. I already have both of these pieces from my previous computer, but opt not to use the SSD caching. This is because after researching it is shown that this set up will decrease the life of the SSD, and the SSD is more likely to fail. My main purpose to use the SSD caching was to mainly to increase my load time during gaming, but then the increase isn't as substantial to warrant the possibility of hurting my SSD. The guys at the store said its actually 'slower' to run the OS through the SSD caching than just SSD alone. So I rather run it separately.

So with all this debate about upgrading from P67 to Z68 there is no reason to do it just because of a couple of added 'bells and whistles' which is mainly for advertising purpose on Intel's part, as the average customer who didn't research will think "SSD caching" is cool and great idea, but in reality it slows down your everyday computing and actually drastically decrease the lifetime of your SSD. The guys at the store actually recommends the buyer to actually buy a extended warranty on the SSD if you plan to SSD cache as it most like to fail first How ironic ?
While it might decrease the life of your SSD if it's a MLC, Z68 was designed with Intels new Larsen Creek SLC in mind to be used as the cache. SLC will not suffer from degradation with use in the same way as MLC.

In the end, I have to agree that SSD caching is probably more of a gimmick than a real benefit,.. although some businesss users might find it very useful .. a lot of business apps are horribly coded and seem to take forever to open. Hopefully, this might make some real difference in those cases.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel E6600 (LL629A) DFI BLOOD IRON P35-T2RL Diamond HD3870 GSkill ( 2x1G) DDR2-800 HZ's 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Windows XP Home (OEM) Sceptre 22" + Sceptre 20" Logitech G15 XG VIPER ( hey, it was free.) 
Mouse
LOGITECH MX518 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel E6600 (LL629A) DFI BLOOD IRON P35-T2RL Diamond HD3870 GSkill ( 2x1G) DDR2-800 HZ's 
OSMonitorKeyboardCase
Windows XP Home (OEM) Sceptre 22" + Sceptre 20" Logitech G15 XG VIPER ( hey, it was free.) 
Mouse
LOGITECH MX518 
  hide details  
Reply
post #53 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcc21 View Post

So with all this debate about upgrading from P67 to Z68 there is no reason to do it just because of a couple of added 'bells and whistles' which is mainly for advertising purpose on Intel's part, as the average customer who didn't research will think "SSD caching" is cool and great idea, but in reality it slows down your everyday computing and actually drastically decrease the lifetime of your SSD. The guys at the store actually recommends the buyer to actually buy a extended warranty on the SSD if you plan to SSD cache as it most like to fail first How ironic ?
How ironic that they are pushing an extended warranty?

While I agree that you are better off running the SSD as a boot/apps drive, and then use an HDD for storage. There's more to Z68 then just SSD caching.

Some users may benefit from Quick Sync. Others may not be gamers, but still want to overclock their computer, while using onboard graphics.

Z68 is really a hybrid of P67/H67, you get the best of both worlds. Albeit some features may very well be marketing gimmicks. If / when I build my 2nd computer with a 2600K, I doubt I'd get a P67 board, when Z68 is roughly the same price.
2010rig
(14 items)
 
Galaxy S3
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5660 @ 4.5  ASUS P6X58D-E 980TI? 12GB OCZ Platinum - 7-7-7-21 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
  hide details  
Reply
2010rig
(14 items)
 
Galaxy S3
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5660 @ 4.5  ASUS P6X58D-E 980TI? 12GB OCZ Platinum - 7-7-7-21 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
  hide details  
Reply
post #54 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post
How ironic that they are pushing an extended warranty?

While I agree that you are better off running the SSD as a boot/apps drive, and then use an HDD for storage. There's more to Z68 then just SSD caching.

Some users may benefit from Quick Sync. Others may not be gamers, but still want to overclock their computer, while using onboard graphics.

Z68 is really a hybrid of P67/H67, you get the best of both worlds. Albeit some features may very well be marketing gimmicks. If / when I build my 2nd computer with a 2600K, I doubt I'd get a P67 board, when Z68 is roughly the same price.
haha they do try to sell you the warranty, but giving you real facts to back it up though because the usual cheaper SSDs do degrade faster.
MCC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k  Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H MSI GTX 680 Lightning Ed. Patriot Intel Extreme Masters Limited Edition 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 120 gb SSD Samsung Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D  CM Storm Quick Fire  Corsair AX850 Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseAudio
Steelseries Sensei Creative T20 
  hide details  
Reply
MCC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k  Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H MSI GTX 680 Lightning Ed. Patriot Intel Extreme Masters Limited Edition 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 120 gb SSD Samsung Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D  CM Storm Quick Fire  Corsair AX850 Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseAudio
Steelseries Sensei Creative T20 
  hide details  
Reply
post #55 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by rottenotto View Post
While it might decrease the life of your SSD if it's a MLC, Z68 was designed with Intels new Larsen Creek SLC in mind to be used as the cache. SLC will not suffer from degradation with use in the same way as MLC.

In the end, I have to agree that SSD caching is probably more of a gimmick than a real benefit,.. although some businesss users might find it very useful .. a lot of business apps are horribly coded and seem to take forever to open. Hopefully, this might make some real difference in those cases.
I agree, but not many SLC SSD out right now, and at what price? I am sure they will be charged a premium for them. Also if business applications are heavy duty its best to just have it run solely on a SSD instead of caching.
MCC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k  Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H MSI GTX 680 Lightning Ed. Patriot Intel Extreme Masters Limited Edition 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 120 gb SSD Samsung Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D  CM Storm Quick Fire  Corsair AX850 Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseAudio
Steelseries Sensei Creative T20 
  hide details  
Reply
MCC
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5-2500k  Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H MSI GTX 680 Lightning Ed. Patriot Intel Extreme Masters Limited Edition 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840 120 gb SSD Samsung Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A850D  CM Storm Quick Fire  Corsair AX850 Fractal Design Define R4 
MouseAudio
Steelseries Sensei Creative T20 
  hide details  
Reply
post #56 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by mcc21 View Post
haha they do try to sell you the warranty, but giving you real facts to back it up though because the usual cheaper SSDs do degrade faster.
Then don't buy a cheap SSD.

I bet they didn't tell you these were coming out:
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...ce-series.html
2010rig
(14 items)
 
Galaxy S3
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5660 @ 4.5  ASUS P6X58D-E 980TI? 12GB OCZ Platinum - 7-7-7-21 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
  hide details  
Reply
2010rig
(14 items)
 
Galaxy S3
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5660 @ 4.5  ASUS P6X58D-E 980TI? 12GB OCZ Platinum - 7-7-7-21 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
  hide details  
Reply
post #57 of 59
Wonder why the Asus Z68 boards are out of stock, by now there should be plenty of boards, also no Biostar Z68? Supply looks vagely familiar to Cougar Point late feburary. Wonder if there are issues?
Main
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i2500 Biostar TH67+ HD 6850 8gb 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
OZC Vertex2 +storage Win7x64 SP1 HP SeaSonic S12II 520W 
  hide details  
Reply
Main
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i2500 Biostar TH67+ HD 6850 8gb 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
OZC Vertex2 +storage Win7x64 SP1 HP SeaSonic S12II 520W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #58 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Because companies don't see the point producting in P67 anymore. I assume they are pin-compatible and Intel bulk pricing is only a few dollar difference. There is no need for two SKUs that are almost the same for almost the same price. The Z68 for all intent and purposes does replace the P68.
My only problem with your statement is that if I accept this premise, then all chipsets excluding Z68 can officially be called "dead" since for all intent purposes, Z68 replaces it. Interestingly, this would also include Q67 chipset that was just recently released if memory serves me correct.
Stupid Box
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 6600k Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5 Asus GTX 970 DirectCU Mini Crucial Ballistix Sport 2 x 4GB DDR4 2400 CL16  
Hard DriveCoolingOSKeyboard
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB M.2 SSD Prolimatech Samuel 17 w/ Ultra Sleek Vortex 12 Fan Windows 7 Home Premium KB87 Bluetooth CNC Acrylic Mechanical Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouse
SilverStone ST45SF-G 450w SFX PSU SG05W-Lite Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse 
  hide details  
Reply
Stupid Box
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 6600k Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming 5 Asus GTX 970 DirectCU Mini Crucial Ballistix Sport 2 x 4GB DDR4 2400 CL16  
Hard DriveCoolingOSKeyboard
Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB M.2 SSD Prolimatech Samuel 17 w/ Ultra Sleek Vortex 12 Fan Windows 7 Home Premium KB87 Bluetooth CNC Acrylic Mechanical Keyboard 
PowerCaseMouse
SilverStone ST45SF-G 450w SFX PSU SG05W-Lite Logitech G602 Wireless Gaming Mouse 
  hide details  
Reply
post #59 of 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by jivenjune View Post
My only problem with your statement is that if I accept this premise, then all chipsets excluding Z68 can officially be called "dead" since for all intent purposes, Z68 replaces it. Interestingly, this would also include Q67 chipset that was just recently released if memory serves me correct.
You may want to read up on Q67 and who it's really aimed at:
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/prodbrief/325518.pdf

Z68 will replace P67 check out this post as to why.
http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...l#post13605796
2010rig
(14 items)
 
Galaxy S3
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5660 @ 4.5  ASUS P6X58D-E 980TI? 12GB OCZ Platinum - 7-7-7-21 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
  hide details  
Reply
2010rig
(14 items)
 
Galaxy S3
(8 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5660 @ 4.5  ASUS P6X58D-E 980TI? 12GB OCZ Platinum - 7-7-7-21 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
1 80GB SSD x25m - 3TB F3 + F4 NH-D14 Windows 7 Ultimate LG 47LH55 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Natural Wireless Keyboard Corsair 750HX CM 690 II Advanced MX 518 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Snapdragon S4 Dual core 1500mhz Adreno 225 Samsung 2GB 16GB Onboard Flash 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Android 4.4.2 - CM11 4.8" AMOLED 1280x720 2100 mAh battery Otterbox Defender 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [TH] The Intel Z68 Express Review: A Real Enthusiast Chipset