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Options:

1) 2 x F3's in Raid0 + SSD
2) 2 x F3's in AHCI + SSD

Which would give me the best performance? I wan't seperate write / read drives. And raid0 is great just for this task. But then I'd lose the ACHI option on my SSD drive.

I know raid supports NCQ, but how much of a performance HIT will there be? Or will there actually even be any?
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i would go with raid, i also believe i read somewhere that if you enable raid it enables ahci mode (not sure) but the samsung f3's reads at around 80-100mbs and in raid you could get 150mbs i believe, somewhere around there.

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Intel recommends choosing RAID mode on their motherboards (which also enables AHCI)
edit: i noticed you had another thread about utorrent, Dont get the raptors the price to performance you would get (also with reduced space) isent worth the price, especially when alot of 7200 performance drives (samsung f3 and WD blacks) can perform almost as well (maybe in some cases on par).

Seeing that your only getting ~27mbs a regular HDD (or your f3's) would do just fine since you should never exceed the write speed on the f3's. And if your downloading @ that much where you need 27mbs and doing 50 downloads i would think a SSD would be way to small with out spending $300+. Maybe just Cache utorrent to your HDD's
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Using the RAID on a motherboard generally enables AHCI. It sometimes varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but generally the RAID on the motherboard also includes AHCI mode.
    
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Thanks for the help! raid0 the f3s then? I understand Windows Will look at it as one drive. Also read/write are done on seperate? Like
F3 #1: download folder
F3 #2: upload folder

Or Will they share read and writes, just like when only having 1 drive?
The problem is having too much read and writes at the same time for now.
My torrents are about 25-50gb each so its quite alot of pieces to cache.

Downloading lets say 50 dvd-r at full speed is no problem though.
But bd-s quickly took over.
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Thanks for the help! raid0 the f3s then? I understand Windows Will look at it as one drive. Also read/write are done on seperate? Like
F3 #1: download folder
F3 #2: upload folder

Or Will they share read and writes, just like when only having 1 drive?
The problem is having too much read and writes at the same time for now.
My torrents are about 25-50gb each so its quite alot of pieces to cache.

Downloading lets say 50 dvd-r at full speed is no problem though.
But bd-s quickly took over.
they will share the read and write. its not separate, think of it exactly like having 1 drive but.. with 2. hmmm... well the cache issue then.. only thing i could think of is more memory >__< a ssd would def fill up fast with 25-50gb so it wouldnt be very practical IMO.

But raid 0 will brake up the information so you have file made up of: ABCD A and C will go to one drive and B and D will go to another.

Edit: sorry.. i edit my posts alot...
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they will share the read and write. its not separate, think of it exactly like having 1 drive but.. with 2. hmmm... well the cache issue then.. only thing i could think of is more memory >__< a ssd would def fill up fast with 25-50gb so it wouldnt be very practical IMO.

But raid 0 will brake up the information so you have file made up of: ABCD A and C will go to one drive and B and D will go to another.

Edit: sorry.. i edit my posts alot...
So it would be better to use them as seperate drives instead to raid them?
Then the question is. AHCI VS RAID? If I choose not to raid them.
The SSD performs well on AHCI. Would it perform the same on RAID? cause my HDDs perform better on AHCI vs IDE.

I dont want to format them and lose everything if it Will only give me worse performance
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So it would be better to use them as seperate drives instead to raid them?
Then the question is. AHCI VS RAID? If I choose not to raid them.
The SSD performs well on AHCI. Would it perform the same on RAID? cause my HDDs perform better on AHCI vs IDE.

I dont want to format them and lose everything if it Will only give me worse performance
wait, so your looking to have one drive as an upload and one as a download drive? Raid will give you overall fast performance for applications and reading and writing data. but i believe a head (even though it has 2 head) can only use one at a time.

Lets assume an F3 does 100mbs and them raided gets you 150mbs
and bandwidth i believe is limited by how fast the hdd controller can process

Im not 100% sure how a hard drive does simultaneous reads and writes but i believe if you raid you hard drive you will have ~150mbs bandwidth to read or write (so you could be doing a 100mb write and 50mb read as an example).

Where as if you separate the two drives in ahci mode (so 2 different patitions) you could have one hard drive reading at 100mbs and the other at 100mbs.

So the advantage of raid is that you max bandwidth for doing 1 operation is up to 150mbs (between the two) vs 100mbs (each drive) if you split the two up

For SSD its much closer to doubling their speed in raid (i would say its 80-90% scale vs 50% with HDD)

Edit: So in short since your doing a read and write at the same time i would separate the two drives so you can get max read and write speeds on each since you would be giving each HDD one operation, and use AHCI (since you wouldn't be raiding anything together).

And the SSD should work just as well in raid as it does in AHCI, from my experience at least

(Oye edited the post 7 times @_@ i think it awnsers everything and is pretty clear )
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Yes exactly thanks big time!! I Will set them as seperate and use AHCI when its up I can try to make a little "benchmark" lol
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Yes exactly thanks big time!! I Will set them as seperate and use AHCI when its up I can try to make a little "benchmark" lol
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Yeah sucks having to choose either having a high upload or download because of the slow drives. Hopefully this Will fix the problem.
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