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What is it with the data collecting thing being brought even into light bulb conversations? Paranoid or what

Google can collect my lighting data if they wish, even my neighbours can see when and how often I use my light bulbs just by looking at the house
post #102 of 122
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Originally Posted by KusH View Post
It's not irrational when you know that it can be hacked.

For example, is it irrational to expect great amount of security for a bank? No.

Then why is it irrational to want to protect your home? To me my home is much more important to protect then my bank account yet no one else seems to think so.

Just because something hasn't been effected in your life that is a wireless device doesn't mean that it's ok to ignore the fact that it can be compromised.

Thats like install a video camera in every room of your house and then have a server that hosts a webpage that can be accessed on your home network at any time, and you also allow that webpage to be seen externally.

Just because you have a password on it doesn't make it safe. Nor does it give you the right to disregard the fact that it can be compromised.

My point is why give yourself more vulnerabilities and points of entry when you don't have to.
You are putting a ton of words in my mouth, so lets take this one slow.

You are correct, its not irrational to want to protect your home. I never said it wasn't. The reason people think their bank accounts are more important than their homes is because most people need money to keep their house. If you lose your bank account, you could lose your home. I think its a pretty even split, but I'll let people speak for themselves on this one.

I'm absolutely not ignoring the fact that it can be comprimised. As a matter a fact, my main argument is that EVERYTHING can be comprimised. Instead of putting this false veil of security on wired devices, you have to understand that wireless devices (when done properly) can be every bit as safe as a wired device, if not safer. As you typed that response, someone could have easily spliced a device into the cable wires outside your house and be recording all of your browsing data right now! Yet here you sit, typing away, fulling accepting of the inherent risk. But when someone may possibly be able to look at how often you turn your light bulbs on and off, that is just way too much vulnerability for you to handle, despite the fact that this scenario may even be FAR more unlikely than the first. Sure, the internet is a very important tool in the modern world and data lightbulbs are a superfluous luxury, but the risks are weighted appropriately too.

How much do you apply this attitude to other things in your life? You may be far more likely to burn your house down if you have a fireplace. Do you have one? How fast do you drive on the highway? Do you drink alcohol? Have you used a credit/debit card in an ATM or gas station? I'm just really trying to get a gauge on how you value the risk involved with data-mining lightbulbs compared to your security, health, and the health of others.

If you don't care about having the ability to control/monitor your lights from an Android device then that is all the argument you need. Just say "I don't need it," and leave it at that. To claim these devices are unnecessary vulnerabilities into the privacy of your own home requires a VERY strong argument as to how you define and value privacy, functionality, and risk taking because pretty much every device you use, digital/analog/wired/wireless is an unnecessary pleasure that you accept the risk for using.
    
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this.

now all you need is some jokester with an amplified antenna to start flipping your lights on and off.
Since we're simplifying the ease of controlling someones light bulbs, I guess I will play along:

And all you need is some jokester with a pair of wire cutters to flip your lights/internet on and... well, just off really.

Guess which one is cheaper? Guess which one is more common? Guess which one takes more know how?
    
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Since we're simplifying the ease of controlling someones light bulbs, I guess I will play along:

And all you need is some jokester with a pair of wire cutters to flip your lights/internet on and... well, just off really.

Guess which one is cheaper? Guess which one is more common? Guess which one takes more know how?
guess which one you don't have to worry about getting caught?

if the interwebs have taught us anything, it's that people are about a bagillion times more likely to do stupid things if they think they're anonymous.
    
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guess which one you don't have to worry about getting caught?

if the interwebs have taught us anything, it's that people are about a bagillion times more likely to do stupid things if they think they're anonymous.
It has also taught us that a majority of people can't even spell their own name, let alone purposefully hacking into someone else's wireless network to control their light bulbs.
    
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I totally want most things in my house to be controller with my phone ...yay.
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post #107 of 122
google can harvest my lightbulb usage all they like.

"Account: Zero4549
Light Bulb Log: on off on off on off on off on off on off on off on off
Test result: Create lightbulb which can be turned on and off"

Scary **** there.
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post #108 of 122
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Woo, can't wait to OC my light bulbs...
Just overvolt them with 240v, but I feel bad for your fridge.........
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Just overvolt them with 240v, but I feel bad for your fridge.........
Funny you should mention that. I'm actually English, and we use 240V over there. My girlfriend came over from Canada (she is the reason I live here now) and brought her 110V hair straighteners with her.

Not being the most technologically sound (arts major ) she just assumed that they would work fine. If by "fine" she meant "overheat, melt and trip all the breakers" she was right,



Oh, and to all the "cameras in the light-bulbs omg Google are spying on me" tin hat brigade:

1. Do you really think they could get away with that? They can't even track your cellphone without getting caught.

2. If they really wanted to spy on you, why bother with the whole light bulb camera? You have a webcam on your computer right?

3. If you don't trust / want it, don't buy it. It is that simple.
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:facepalm:
60W Equivalent = 13W, most likely.
Hey, you didn't say to incandescent >_>
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