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so long and thanks for all the fish
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How many humans have learned dolphinese? Exactly. If they're of lesser intelligence for having a rudimentary understanding of our language, what does that make us to them?
So true.

I watched a documentary called "Decoding the Dog" on Netflix. It was interesting to see that dogs can actually communicate and understand humans better than chimps can. Dogs know what a human is doing when he'she is pointing at an object or place. Chimps don't understand that.

Dogs, like humans, also look at the left part of a human's face to detect emotions that are being conveyed. They can also have the intelligence of a human 3 year old, as well as a vocabulary of up to 250 words.

Dog>Chimp.
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That is absolutely fascinating.
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Of course they can, their smarter than us!
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Of course they can, their smarter than us!
they're*

I am a dolphin, thus proving your point.
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they're*

I am a dolphin, thus proving your point.


I blame my phone!
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they're*

I am a dolphin, thus proving your point.
^ best post ever.

On Topic:

I sometimes wonder why my dog seems so aware of what is happening around her. This explains a lot lol
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anyone watch the movie the cove! damnit dont let the japs get their hands on that equipment
 
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Jokes on them, my hand is a dolphin
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There's no proof of that. Jesus, you're such a Primate fanboy.

I love how people assume that intelligence between divergent species would develop in parallel.

How many humans have learned dolphinese? Exactly. If they're of lesser intelligence for having a rudimentary understanding of our language, what does that make us to them?


I'm having an acid flashback, someone help me .
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So true.

I watched a documentary called "Decoding the Dog" on Netflix. It was interesting to see that dogs can actually communicate and understand humans better than chimps can. Dogs know what a human is doing when he'she is pointing at an object or place. Chimps don't understand that.

Dogs, like humans, also look at the left part of a human's face to detect emotions that are being conveyed. They can also have the intelligence of a human 3 year old, as well as a vocabulary of up to 250 words.

Dog>Chimp.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...washoe01m.html

Chimps are renown for being extremely intelligent. Not to mention they have the abilities to communicate more freely than other animals such as dogs. They can't talk but they can use gestures openly. They might understand what we mean when we point at something, you have to ask the question do they care?

If they have the ability to be self-aware and are a highly functional sentient being why would they spend the time to look at what we are pointing at once they figured out why we are pointing there. If the dogs don't have the ability to understand the reasoning behind it, then they will continue to look and interpret that we are pointing at an object.

What is the reasoning behind it? We point so that the animal can understand that we want them to acknowledge that object. if somebody points at something and says look, you look. If they do it enough times you stop looking, mainly because it has no real purpose other than getting you to acknowledge that object. Who's to say chimps don't have high enough reasoning to ignore us based on that?

We don't have the tools to actually study this, though evidence shows that there are certain animals with an intelligence level that might give them the ability to be self-aware. Dogs, cats, pigs, even something as advanced as seals, are still thought to be highly sentient but not self-aware.

Dogs are extremely low on the intelligence level. Pointing somewhere and them knowing what to, or where to look, just shows we can train them for simple tasks. We can train them simple speech too but it's believed they go more off sound and pitch. An angry sound, even if it's a nice message, will make the dog cower and act as if it's being punished.

Most animals can do Operant Conditioning, regardless of their intelligence level. It's thought that the higher the intelligence level the easier it is to condition an animal. Cats are supposedly lower than dogs, it takes longer to teach them. That is, if you can teach a cat to do something specific.

I could go on and on, I'm a huge fan of finding other intelligent animals on this planet. However I'm not going to be dumb or delusional and say Dogs, or some other animal, is even close to the level of primates. Dolphins might, but that's going to be extremely hard to prove.

[edit] Facial expressions and emotions are unique, it is believed that they are biological. Cats for example have been known to pick up on their care-givers emotions, many animals can. It's what they do in response that would show true intelligence. Unfortunately we can't converse with these animals, so it's hard to prove much of this too.
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