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Spoken like a true amature.

Repair = time (usually lots of it)

when cost is not an issue usally the quickest solution is the best.

Figuring out what the exact issue is and how to solve it would:
A: most likely take longer than reformatting
B: likely to not solve the issue (on a first or second try anayway, hence point "A")


This has been a fun debate. I am down to keep going if you are.

When you do enough computer repair you learn to give the best/quickest solution instead of the heaftly trial and error solution that may or may not work.
I used to co-manage a successful computer repair business and your constant desire to reformat is quite unnerving. Yes, in most cases it can resolve issues without too much hassle, but as most people will tell you, its a last resort.

The hassle of restoring settings and files etc can be quite time consuming for some people.

In addition, you have completely overlooked some important steps. You have mentioned a failing hard drive, which is a very valid reason for the issues that the OP is experiencing. However, you haven't mentioned about running manufacturers diagnostics on the HDD to determine if it is indeed faulty. Formatting and re-installing Windows is moot when the HDD has started to develop bad sectors etc. You have to rule out any underlying issues such as hardware failure first.

Again, running a full Memtest scan is equally important to determine there isn't a memory fault.

Once you've exhausted potential HDD and RAM issues, then you can focus your attention on Windows and determine what's going on. If you really cannot get it working properly, THEN think about re-formatting.

I can understand that with running a repair business you have to factor in repair time and whether its cost effective to spend x-amount of time on a repair job, but I'd rather do things properly and thoroughly to make sure I give the best value and service to my customers.

But simply just re-formatting without prior investigation is a little bit Geek Squaddish
Edited by tedman - 5/12/11 at 3:38am
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Spoken like a true amature.
What a nice way to start off your reply, especially since you are an OCN staff member.


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Repair = time (usually lots of it)
Thanks! I did not know that! I guess I'm just a complete idiot because I don't have my own computer repair business! LOL


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when cost is not an issue usally the quickest solution is the best.
Uh, not usually. Only sometimes. Of course, I'm referring to the fact that you think formatting and starting over is the best solution here. Except, the better solution is to find out what is causing this so that he can fix it and prevent it from happening ever again. Formatting and starting over will not reveal the culprit, nor will it enable him to avoid this problem in the future and so therefore it will be a giant waste of time.

So I think I can safely say at this point that if you were my local computer repair shop, then I most certainly would not want to hire you because guess what: formatting and starting over is the last resort, which I said earlier. You of all people in this thread should know this seeing as you have your own computer repair business. Or maybe having your own computer repair business has gone to your head.


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Figuring out what the exact issue is and how to solve it would:
A: most likely take longer than reformatting
B: likely to not solve the issue (on a first or second try anayway, hence point "A")
Really?

Ok then. Time will tell. However, I will say it again: formatting and starting over is the LAST resort, not the first. Anyone who knows anything about computer repair should know this. Yet, you jumped straight to telling him to format and start over. You didn't put any time or effort into helping him diagnose the problem, nor did you even make any preliminary guesses as to what it could be. You just went, "Let's take a look here...... hmm.. it slows down after using it all day. Well damn, I don't know what could be causing it, so let's just format it and start over. I'll bill you later".


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This has been a fun debate. I am down to keep going if you are.
This is not a contest, Kirby. This is ChicknWafflZ's thread about ChicknWafflZ's computer, and I am determined to avoid formatting his system and starting over unless it later becomes obvious that we have no other choice, OR if he decides that he has no problem doing it right now. After all, it's his choice, his computer, and his data - not yours, not mine. That's why I don't go straight to "Format and start over, because I don't know what the issue is".

Right, so I guess when a customer hands you their computer, you just format it, start them over, and say "There, it's all fixed! I don't know what the problem was, but here's your bill".


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When you do enough computer repair you learn to give the best/quickest solution instead of the heaftly trial and error solution that may or may not work.
lol yep, it has gone to your head. Maybe the combination of being a staff member and having your own computer repair business makes you think that you are infallible or something. I mean, dude: his system has been acting like this ever since he put Ubuntu on that small partiion. So again, what do you think about that? What if formatting and starting over doesn't do anything? lol if so, then you would have just caused him to format and start over for nothing which can sometimes be significantly more work than trying to avoid formatting and starting over in the first place.

I'm serious, though: I really do want to know what you think about that. Consider it and tell ChicknWafflZ your answer because after all, it's his computer.


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I used to co-manage a successful computer repair business and your constant desire to reformat is quite unnerving. Yes, in most cases it can resolve issues without too much hassle, but as most people will tell you, its a last resort.
This.

Didn't I say this before, Kirby? Are you going to tell Ted that he's an idiot too?


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The hassle of restoring settings and files etc can be quite time consuming for some people.
This.


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In addition, you have completely overlooked some important steps. You have mentioned a failing hard drive, which is a very valid reason for the issues that the OP is experiencing. However, you haven't mentioned about running manufacturers diagnostics on the HDD to determine if it is indeed faulty. Formatting and re-installing Windows is moot when the HDD has started to develop bad sectors etc. You have to rule out any underlying issues such as hardware failure first.

Again, running a full Memtest scan is equally important to determine there isn't a memory fault.

Once you've exhausted potential HDD and RAM issues, then you can focus your attention on Windows and determine what's going on. If you really cannot get it working properly, THEN think about re-formatting.

I can understand that with running a repair business you have to factor in repair time and whether its cost effective to spend x-amount of time on a repair job, but I'd rather do things properly and thoroughly to make sure I give the best value and service to my customers.

But simply just re-formatting without prior investigation is a little bit Geek Squaddish
Just a little Geek Squaddish? You're too nice.

I can see why that computer repair business was successful: they had people like you there. You obviously know what you're talking about! You even discussed a few troubleshooting layers!

Speaking of the different layers of troubleshooting, isn't formatting and starting over one of the last layers? At least when it comes to the software side...

Oh and Kirby, I have one more thing to say: we don't have to worry about repair time here because he isn't paying us by the hour; we're helping him for free. So let's relax and see what we can do to avoid formatting and starting him over - that is, unless he couldn't care less about what formatting and starting over means.
Edited by TwoCables - 5/12/11 at 5:53am
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Geeez, my shop would not have any business or great word of mouth advertising if all that was done was herp derp reformat.

99.99% of the time a reformat is not needed Kirby1, you just have to "think" and test areas that could be problematic.

Kirby1 if you came here looking for a job and I asked you about the solution to a problem and you said "reformat it"

Would I hire you? No way...

On topic: tedman had valid ideas, run with those and not the herp derp reformat
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Thanks for all of the help, people. Ran HD Tune error test and my stuff is clean. Gonna run Memtest86+ today. Will update this thread with results soon.
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I'm back. Passed Memtest86+ with 0 errors (and my GED testing!) and got rid of Ubuntu and GRUB. If I face anymore issues I'll look into the page file and see if anything is wrong.
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Glad to help.
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I'm going to skip all the dumb reformat bantering, as it's bad advice. No really, if you work at a computer repair shop and haven't caught the major flags yet you run a poor business. I'd call you out in store if that ever happened, I've done it before. Seriously, just awful....

What is this major flag? Well, first it sounded like a memory leak in a program, can't back that up with any real evidence until the user checks. So, that's just one flag. What's the other? I'm calling inner file fragmentation, what's the space ratio on the drive? How much free space? Pagefile has in-file fragmentation and is slowing down over time. That could easily be fixed by freeing up some space (as well as deleting the pagefile), using a "defragment" program (though I highly say NO). After that if things are still buggy the 3rd and final flag is the file system. That is if Ubuntu is installed on it's separate partition. If the partition was improperly shrunk it could do damages to the FS, which would could result in slowness.

I personally believe it's either a memory leak or low space due to installing Ubuntu (with or without WUBI). If I'm correct WUBI installs onto the NTFS partition, similar to a VM correct? If you can't see the obvious space delima that could occur than IDK what to say about that (with or without WUBI).

Seriously, reformat? Over a "sluggish" system? There is a 4th alternative, which could be background services caused by OCD tendencies. OR a 5th alternative caused by OCD tendencies, running a registry cleaner enough times could cause severe inner file fragmentation of the registry. I doubt that's a problem though, as the registry isn't really used too heavily any more. Plus he says he does it daily, you would think minor symptoms would show up first. I guess installing the new games and Ubuntu could have escalated the problems causing them to show up quick. I highly doubt that, as I highly doubt start up programs would cause these symptoms. So I go back to low disc space and/or memory leak.

[edit] I just read some of the bantering, it's really funny too. All of my solutions take a fraction of what it takes to install and I've still got one last resort that will be much quicker than installing. If none of my solutions are spot on you can always test the theory on startup applications by deleting them in the registry and unchecking them in msconfig.

Where are they in the registry?

hkeylocalmachine/software/microsoft/windows/current version/run

runonce should be there, you can also check kheycurrentuser but normally they are in hkeylocalmachine

dang that was off the top of my head too.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/13/11 at 1:58am
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TwoCables and tedman, thank you for you professionalism and managing to stay ontopic while I was reading this thread. I personally will exhaust all resources before I will format because I don't want to weep over my data loss. Chikn, you are very lucky to have just gotten a slow down and not teh infamous BSODs associated with a corrupting pagefile/memory leak.
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lol if I'd have known it was partly solved I wouldn't have posted. I just didn't want to read the entire thread because of all this babble about formatting. After I saw pages of bickering it just got tedious. Even worse was when I read the dude owned a computer repair shop. The one thing I hate more than enthusiasts are ones who don't know how to repair a computer properly and quickly yet work at a computer repair shop. It's like geeksquad, people who think they know what's going on.

So sorry if I sounded harsh to the user, it's just really annoying to see people who should know what's up give terrible advice.
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Wow Kirby1, just wow. I have never seen such poor advise from somebody that supposedly works in a PC Repair shop, since the last time I walked into Best Buy.

ANY REAL computer repair shop would actually REPAIR the issue at hand. Not, hurp durp, its broke...reformat! All you're doing is covering up what caused the issue. The trick is, to figure out exactly why he's having these problems.

To the OP:
I see you passed Memtest and HDTune. That's good signs. Means its probably not a hardware fault. If you happen to have a spare SATA Cable (assuming SATA here, sorry), you could try swapping a SATA cable around. I've seen rogue SATA cables cause some really funky issues at times.

However, this honestly sounds like a software issue. Try disabling indexing. Go to your Services control panel, and Stop, AND Disable "Windows Search".
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