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post #41 of 53
Just wow at this whole thread.
If you're still having problems.
My 2cents: It being slow after being on awhile seems to me to be more of a memory low problem. Look for any programs that are eating up your ram and fix that.
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lol now I don't feel so bad. You know the person is giving poor advice when 4 people don't even have words for how terrible the advice is.
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Hey ChicknWafflZ, how is it going so far?


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I'm going to skip all the dumb reformat bantering, as it's bad advice. No really, if you work at a computer repair shop and haven't caught the major flags yet you run a poor business. I'd call you out in store if that ever happened, I've done it before. Seriously, just awful....

What is this major flag? Well, first it sounded like a memory leak in a program, can't back that up with any real evidence until the user checks. So, that's just one flag. What's the other? I'm calling inner file fragmentation, what's the space ratio on the drive? How much free space? Pagefile has in-file fragmentation and is slowing down over time. That could easily be fixed by freeing up some space (as well as deleting the pagefile), using a "defragment" program (though I highly say NO). After that if things are still buggy the 3rd and final flag is the file system. That is if Ubuntu is installed on it's separate partition. If the partition was improperly shrunk it could do damages to the FS, which would could result in slowness.

I personally believe it's either a memory leak or low space due to installing Ubuntu (with or without WUBI). If I'm correct WUBI installs onto the NTFS partition, similar to a VM correct? If you can't see the obvious space delima that could occur than IDK what to say about that (with or without WUBI).

Seriously, reformat? Over a "sluggish" system? There is a 4th alternative, which could be background services caused by OCD tendencies. OR a 5th alternative caused by OCD tendencies, running a registry cleaner enough times could cause severe inner file fragmentation of the registry. I doubt that's a problem though, as the registry isn't really used too heavily any more. Plus he says he does it daily, you would think minor symptoms would show up first. I guess installing the new games and Ubuntu could have escalated the problems causing them to show up quick. I highly doubt that, as I highly doubt start up programs would cause these symptoms. So I go back to low disc space and/or memory leak.

[edit] I just read some of the bantering, it's really funny too. All of my solutions take a fraction of what it takes to install and I've still got one last resort that will be much quicker than installing. If none of my solutions are spot on you can always test the theory on startup applications by deleting them in the registry and unchecking them in msconfig.

Where are they in the registry?

hkeylocalmachine/software/microsoft/windows/current version/run

runonce should be there, you can also check kheycurrentuser but normally they are in hkeylocalmachine

dang that was off the top of my head too.
Here are two other Registry keys named "Run" that I personally maintain and keep clean in addition to the one you posted, especially right after I'm basically done setting up a fresh install:

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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Wow6432Node\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Run
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HKEY_CURRENT_USER\\Software\\Microsoft\\Windows\\CurrentVersion\\Run
I have noticed that it's far more likely for the first one I posted above as well as the one you posted to have entries in it. The 2nd one I posted still gets entries, but it might be just one or two things for most people if anything is in there at all. However, it's still worth checking these Keys.


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Originally Posted by PROBN4LYFE View Post
TwoCables and tedman, thank you for you professionalism and managing to stay ontopic while I was reading this thread. I personally will exhaust all resources before I will format because I don't want to weep over my data loss. Chikn, you are very lucky to have just gotten a slow down and not teh infamous BSODs associated with a corrupting pagefile/memory leak.
You're welcome!

Almost nothing here on OCN annoys me more than when someone gives bad advice, defends it until they're blue in the face, and then says "I do own a computer repair business, by the way." Oh how that makes me want to rage. What's worse is when said person is an OCN staff member. Yeah, I know he's just a Gameserver Moderator, but still.


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lol if I'd have known it was partly solved I wouldn't have posted. I just didn't want to read the entire thread because of all this babble about formatting. After I saw pages of bickering it just got tedious. Even worse was when I read the dude owned a computer repair shop. The one thing I hate more than enthusiasts are ones who don't know how to repair a computer properly and quickly yet work at a computer repair shop. It's like geeksquad, people who think they know what's going on.

So sorry if I sounded harsh to the user, it's just really annoying to see people who should know what's up give terrible advice.
Even worse was the reason why he said, "I do own a computer repair business, by the way." It's like he was trying to say, "...and so therefore my computer-related advice is always the best advice".

Anyway, I'm very glad to see that there are others who are actually putting forth some effort to figure out what's causing this gradual slow-down instead of taking one look at it and saying, "Reformat. Not exactly sure what ur issue is but really sounds like u just need to reformat." Oh, but remember folks: he owns a computer repair business!
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Everything seems to be running great after removing Ubuntu and GRUB completely. Haven't experienced a slowdown and I've been LANning with buddies for over 24 hours constantly. Not sure how it helped but it apparently did. By the way, I have plenty of HDD space. 378GB free on my 750GB and 349GB free on my 1TB. I greatly appreciate all of the solid contributions and I'm glad to see users on OCN who are dedicated to helping people out! Thanks a bunch, everybody! REP+ REP+ REP+
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Everything seems to be running great after removing Ubuntu and GRUB completely. Haven't experienced a slowdown and I've been LANning with buddies for over 24 hours constantly. Not sure how it helped but it apparently did. By the way, I have plenty of HDD space. 378GB free on my 750GB and 349GB free on my 1TB. I greatly appreciate all of the solid contributions and I'm glad to see users on OCN who are dedicated to helping people out! Thanks a bunch, everybody! REP+ REP+ REP+
When free space decreases the chances of file fragmentation increases. When you sucked up 30G for a new partition (whatever number you used) you sped up the process. You can figure out what happens after that, you did experience it. =P
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When free space decreases the chances of file fragmentation increases. When you sucked up 30G for a new partition (whatever number you used) you sped up the process. You can figure out what happens after that, you did experience it. =P
Not necessesarily. I'm thinking something else got screwed up honestly. Windows 7 comes with a really decent real time defragmenter. My machine is never more than 1-2% fragmented at any given time.
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Not necessesarily. I'm thinking something else got screwed up honestly. Windows 7 comes with a really decent real time defragmenter. My machine is never more than 1-2% fragmented at any given time.
I hate using wiki but I'm not going to find a "legit" source, it's well documented on how fragmentation works. It doesn't matter how good the program is that they use to "defrag", it's simply how it works universally.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_fragmentation
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However, as existing files are deleted or truncated, new regions of free space are created. When 
existing files are appended to, it is often impossible to resume the write exactly where the file used to 
end, as another file may already be allocated there — thus, a new fragment has to be allocated. As 
time goes on, and the same factors are continuously present, free space as well as frequently 
appended files tend to fragment more. Shorter regions of free space also mean that the allocator is 
no longer able to allocate new files contiguously, and has to break them into fragments. This is 
especially true when the file system is more full — longer contiguous regions of free space are less likely 
to occur.
With less free space you get smaller and smaller free "spaces". You get more "shorter regions", this starts to severely happen around 3/4's of the drive's capacity. It depends on how many files you have and how large they are. Though it's simple logistics, less free space causes more file fragmentation. I'm guessing the pagefile got fragmented and freeing the space caused the system to store the pagefile in a less fragmented manner. I don't think it's a coincidence that he removed the partition, freed space, then got a faster system.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/14/11 at 4:57pm
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Quote:
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I hate using wiki but I'm not going to find a "legit" source, it's well documented on how fragmentation works. It doesn't matter how good the program is that they use to "defrag", it's simply how it works universally.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_fragmentation
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However, as existing files are deleted or truncated, new regions of free space are created. When 
existing files are appended to, it is often impossible to resume the write exactly where the file used to 
end, as another file may already be allocated there — thus, a new fragment has to be allocated. As 
time goes on, and the same factors are continuously present, free space as well as frequently 
appended files tend to fragment more. Shorter regions of free space also mean that the allocator is 
no longer able to allocate new files contiguously, and has to break them into fragments. This is 
especially true when the file system is more full — longer contiguous regions of free space are less likely 
to occur.
With less free space you get smaller and smaller free "spaces". You get more "shorter regions", this starts to severely happen around 3/4's of the drive's capacity. It depends on how many files you have and how large they are. Though it's simple logistics, less free space causes more file fragmentation. I'm guessing the pagefile got fragmented and freeing the space caused the system to store the pagefile in a less fragmented manner. I don't think it's a coincidence that he removed the partition, freed space, then got a faster system.
I was personally thinking something more along the lines of Windows trying to index the partition that it couldn't read, or superfetch being screwy with it.

My 2TB RAID1 array is almost completely full (got 100GB free on it). And it doesn't slow my machine down in the slightest. And I'm pretty confident that its quite fragmented.
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I was personally thinking something more along the lines of Windows trying to index the partition that it couldn't read, or superfetch being screwy with it.

My 2TB RAID1 array is almost completely full (got 100GB free on it). And it doesn't slow my machine down in the slightest. And I'm pretty confident that its quite fragmented.
It has to be the drive the pagefile and system are stored on. If they are on separate drives, such as C and D, it doesn't matter as it can read from two different sources now. [edit] Though if C, or whatever your main system drive is, gets heavily fragmented it doesn't matter if the pagefile is somewhere else. That main drive should have so much free space so that system files keep from being fragmented.

Windows can't index a partition it can't read, it comes up as unknown.

[edit2] The question is, how can your data drive effect system performance. When the system runs it's code it only reads from the system drive.... It seems like an obvious answer, a WAY obvious answer...

And yes, your data drive has hindered performance if it is fragmented. Not only will it have slower reads but writes as well. If you did a transfer from that drive to another it will be slower than a drive that has more free space. Fragmentation will always hinder performance. Even if it's not fragmented, once you get extremely close to filling the drive you start to drastically lose performance. You can't avoid it, anyone with a software engineering degree will tell you that's how it works.

[ninja edit] Full drives don't hinder reads as long as the files aren't fragmented.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/14/11 at 5:18pm
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Everything seems to be running great after removing Ubuntu and GRUB completely. Haven't experienced a slowdown and I've been LANning with buddies for over 24 hours constantly. Not sure how it helped but it apparently did. By the way, I have plenty of HDD space. 378GB free on my 750GB and 349GB free on my 1TB. I greatly appreciate all of the solid contributions and I'm glad to see users on OCN who are dedicated to helping people out! Thanks a bunch, everybody! REP+ REP+ REP+
I had a feeling that this was the answer! I'm very glad that everything is back to normal now, except I wish we could find a way to get Ubuntu and GRUB back on the drive without resulting in this problem again! Of course, that's up to you!

Either way, I'm very glad that you didn't follow Kirby1's advice!

(I confess that the only reason I suspected that this was the solution is because the problem started happening immediately after putting Ubuntu and GRUB on that small partition)
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