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post #61 of 80
Keep the discussion fair and square guys. To justify some things, there has been no confirmed performance data on Bulldozer given out and probably won't be until the NDA. Some have said that performance is dang-nabbin great, others... not so much, others... it's equal to SB... there's really no way to tell which one is real at the moment. We will have to wait on actual tests from AMD. I do think that it is fair to base assumptions on... well, assumptions, but do be fair on your personal judgments; you could be "99% sure" that BD will be outperformed and then be wrong.

In any case I am pretty sure that based on performance levels that BD will be priced accordingly, though a further reduction in overall CPU prices as forced by AMD unto Intel is not impossible.
post #62 of 80
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
Even when they did the pricing was the same?

When AMD had faster chips they were selling for $700 to $1000 as well.
Yes, it was. Maybe you don't remember history very well but when AMD was faster with the Athlon XP, Athlon 64, and Athlon X2 (not inc. FX) they priced them reasonably. The normal Athlon X2s, for example, still managed to beat Intel's best and were not priced at extravagant prices. Intel, on the other hand, made an Extreme Edition processor that was much slower than AMD's while still pricing them at $1000. In any case, I highly doubt that AMD will release a $1000 processor again. Like AMD has said, there's not much money to be made there and the whole point of Bulldozer is to make a scalable architecture that had high performance but also reasonable manufacturing costs. That's where the whole 'module' concept comes in.
    
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post #63 of 80
You also have to take the overclocking potential of sandy bridge. SB pretty much has more than 50% overclocking potential. Will BD be able to match this?
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post #64 of 80
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Do you know something I don't?

If BD is faster than SB.. why are you assuming the maximum price will be $320?
Probably for the same reason you think it will be more.

I would say his logic is more sound than yours, Bulldozer is meant to compete with Sandy Bridge, and to replace the Phenom's. Pricing for top Bulldozer should be around pricing for top Sandy Bridge and top Phenom's.
post #65 of 80
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Yeah, and the 1090T quickly dropped in price. In fairness, the 1090T was faster than the i7-930 (apparent in heavily multi-threaded apps). It just so happens most applications aren't programmed to take advantage of all 6 cores.
It still debuted at that price, didn't it? which was my point.

And it dropped because they knew they were way over their heads overcharging for a CPU that basically performed equally or just a shy slower than their flagship Deneb.

And no, it's wasn't faster than a i7 930, come on man.

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AMD could raise the price on Bulldozer. However, few people actually buy processors costing $400~500. I think this time, they'd rather sell a lot of processors at $300~350 (and at that price, I have a feeling the FX-8000 will sell like hotcakes) than a few at $500.
I really hope you're right mate, don't get me wrong, I'm PRO 'Dozer all the way, I just don't see it.

How is that their current flagship processor costs around $210, yet people are expecting their next generation CPU to cost about the same? while packing a substantial performance increase?
post #66 of 80
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Originally Posted by LOL_Wut_Axel View Post
Yeah, no. You're completely lacking an outlook or knowledge of the current situation. This is how it's gonna be priced, according to system price:

AMD FX 8-core: $299-319
AMD FX 6-core: $199-229
AMD FX 4-core: $149-179

And the whole reason they won't price it high is because of the die size. Just because it's a new architecture doesn't automatically mean higher prices.

Oh, and Thuban gave a good whooping in any multi-threaded app to Lynnfield i5s.
Yup, I'm completely off, yet your prices will be spot on huh mate?

AMD's Bulldozer FX Quad Core CPU, that's lined up compete with the 2500K will cost ~$75 less. Makes sense.

And no, smaller process =/ cheaper.

I mentioned the new architecture because that basically serves as an "excuse", if you will, for raising prices.

Instead of just adding cores to their current CPUs and raising prices.
Edited by SlackerITGuy - 5/12/11 at 7:08pm
post #67 of 80
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Yup, I'm completely off, yet your prices will be spot on huh mate?

AMD's Bulldozer FX Quad Core CPU, that's lined up compete with the 2500K will cost ~$75 less. Makes sense.

And no, smaller process =/ cheaper.

I mentioned the new architecture because that basically serves as an "excuse", if you will, for raising prices.

Instead of just adding cores to their current CPUs and raising prices.
Yeah, except it's not lined up to compete with the 2500K. That's the 6-core, which should already tell you something about the performance. The 4-core is lined at competing with the likes of the i5 2300, the 6-core with the 2500(K) and the 8-core with the 2600(K). Nice try, though.

Also, I never said smaller process/lithography equals cheaper. I said smaller die size equals cheaper. Clearly you don't have a good understanding of how all this works.
    
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post #68 of 80
I hear chip design is cheap and money saved in fab is not used to recoup the losses there its all about getting customers the lowest price.

If chip fab has gone down in price, than chip design has gone up. If anything it balances itself.

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Hahaha.

But with the H67 board and the i5-2500k you get the better gpu (which isn't saying much) and the ability to use quick sync. Its also more than capable of 1080p playback.

Redwoodz my logic is sound, a 4 core for $200 or a 8 core for $300, hummmm which is providing the better price vs performance in multi-threading? Yeah, my logic is fine.
You failed at somehow knowing the multi-threading performance of BD and its price tag when it is still a month away from being released without any legit benchmarks on it.
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I hear chip design is cheap and money saved in fab is not used to recoup the losses there its all about getting customers the lowest price.

AMD - The Wal-Mart of microprocessors?
Wal-Mart is a huge corporation.
Oh wait, we're all supposed to pay <$300 for a CPU,when it really costs $100 to actually make them.
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Your incessant bashing of AMD is really getting our of hand. People say you're an Intel fanboy, and each day I'm starting to think more that they're right.
QFT!!!!!!
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post #70 of 80
Both AMD and Intel are well aware of how much the market is willing to pay for processors. There's a reason why Intel maintains its pricing structure and just changes the models at their various price points. Performance goes up but price remains the same. From the chart (which appears to have come directly from AMD), even if the total system price is $700+ (which can be anywhere from $700.01 to a gajillion dollars), AMD appears to be pricing 8-core Bulldozer same as the i7-2600K and the FX-4110 just a hair above the Core i3 with the FX-6110 competing directly with the i5-2500K. Can AMD charge more? Yeah, probably. Will they? Likely not. JF already said it, very few $1,000 processors actually get sold. It's really more of a bragging rights thing. If they want to quickly recoup funds spent on R&D, they need a killer chip at around $200 (probably the sweet spot for max profit while still having a relatively big market share).
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