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As I announced in the Folding@Home thread...

Having BSOD problem specified as PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA / 0x00000050.

Quote:
0x00000050: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
Requested data was not in memory. An invalid system memory address was referenced. Defective memory (including main memory, L2 RAM cache, video RAM) or incompatible software (including remote control and antivirus software) might cause this Stop message, as may other hardware problems (e.g., incorrect SCSI termination or a flawed PCI card)
Happened twice while I was trying out Folding@Home with my CPU as well as my GTX 275 video cards. I came home only finding the error on my monitor. So far I'm having no problems with just folding with my CPU through SMP (almost 8 hours now).

I tried upping the RAM voltage the first time it happened but still occurred during the second try folding. Hard drives seem to be fine since my RAID card isn't reporting any problems. I know I still have to do more extensive testing but after messing around with the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator site...I feel that it may be more toward the PSU as the problem isn't occurring when I'm not using the video cards with folding.

It's recommending that I need 1257watts. I think I'll be making a trip to Home Depot soon to grab one of those Kill A Watt meters to double check my watt usage on load. However, I know there may be a possibility with the GPUs becoming faulty aka video RAM...but seeing how I don't use the video RAM during folding rules that out a little. I'll be running my system overnight when I sleep to see if the error occurs again.

Think the power calculations is a little accurate? Main power hogs...

i7 920 4.4GHz @ 1.47-1.48v
2x GTX 275 / 1x 8800GT
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This happened to me when I had a RAID 0 system between 3 drives. 1 of them would flake out and then BSOD. I just went back to 1 drive and I don't have that problem anymore.
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This happened to me when I had a RAID 0 system between 3 drives. 1 of them would flake out and then BSOD. I just went back to 1 drive and I don't have that problem anymore.
Sadly I won't ever be running drives without RAID. Were you receiving the same BSOD? Anyway...my computer survived folding with the SMP CPU only for an estimated 14 hours until my computer restarted on its own through the Windows Update leaving me thinking less that the problem may be the CPU, RAM, or hard drives.

I have an update after buying the Kill A Watt meter from Home Depot. I think the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator website is actually pretty close as I'm pulling ~1030watts(~530watts Idle) from the wall (how do I calculate that with the computer?). I'm sure it would be more if my 8800GT would be on load as well but it is sitting idle right now.

I'm coming to the conclusion that it might be either my video card(s) being faulty or power supply being faulty/inefficient to power my system. Opinions anyone? I'll try to fold again with all hardware instead of just my CPU to see if I get the same BSOD again.

EDIT:

Alright within minutes I got the BSOD again...luckily I saw the same error code as 2 seconds later it turned into this.



For now I'll try folding with one GPU instead of both to see if I can rule out a defective one. Otherwise I'll come into the conclusion with the PSU...which I hope is the only thing left to rule out. I might double check with the memory though through MemTest86.
Edited by pvp309rcp - 5/12/11 at 10:57am
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More likely a stability issue that folding is triggering. My rig passes all the regular stability checks yet still gets bluescreens when folding. I may need to drop more clocks to keep going until the end of the CC, sounds like you will too.
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That probably is the problem. Pretty irritating though .

I tested the first GPU for about half an hour so far. I'm switching to the second GPU now for a bit longer...since the last BSOD occurred within 5-10 minutes. I hope to solve this issue to help other individuals as the problem varies a lot with this type of error.

EDIT:

Might be final update...but I think my video card temperatures were too high going near/past 90C. Sadly there might be nothing I can do as all my cards are pretty much sandwiched...to the point where I tried folding my 8800GT between everything and would reach 108C. Even when I stopped folding...it would still stay around 84C like the other video cards which are on load . I could try changing thermal compound...but I wouldn't want to risk it since I ended up replacing my last two GTX 275 as the heatsink/fan couldn't make contact anymore the last time I changed it.

EDIT:

Another BSOD (I tried folding again with both GPUs)...however a new one...

Quote:
0x0000001A: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT
This memory management error is usually hardware related. See the General Troubleshooting of STOP Messages checklist above. If this occurs while installing Windows, also check the Windows system requirements including the amount of RAM and disk space required to load the operating system.
Now I'm leaning towards RAM again ...one thing I noticed though...I think the BSOD always occurs when one of my video cards completes a WU when folding
Edited by pvp309rcp - 5/12/11 at 4:00pm
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Wow, you're pulling 1030W from the wall with your rig, w/o even using the 8800GT? Just the 2xGTX275's? That sounds ... borderline freakish to me

The DC draw inside the PC is roughly calculated by multiplying AC draw * .82 (average efficiency rating of modern PSU's).

Have you tried the testing with no OC's whatsoever, just to see what happens?

It would be somewhat unusual for BSOD's to be attributable to a PSU issue, but by no means would it be impossible. Any chance you could try w/a different unit?
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Don't forget he has a truck full of hard drives in there...
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I figured that my power supply is still sufficient enough to power my system (can't rule out it's effectiveness though).

The BSOD seems to occur at random though but I'm aiming towards temperatures now. I'll go about my business once I'm done folding for OCN Chimp Challenge and test for stability again with different settings.

EDIT: Random BSOD continues...

Quote:
0x00000019: BAD_POOL_HEADER
A pool header issue is a problem with Windows memory allocation. Device driver issues are probably the msot common, but this can have diverse causes including bad sectors or other disk write issues, and problems with some routers. (By theory, RAM problems would be suspect for memory pool issues, but I haven’t been able to confirm this as a cause.)
EDIT: I went ahead and ran MemTest86+ with no problems even while overclocked. Seeing how I'm getting random BSOD...I have reached the end with the verdict of an unstable CPU overclock (or at least unstable when folding). I've tweaked some settings and went down to 4.3GHz and starting folding again. I'm going to miss my 4.4GHz overclock...
Edited by pvp309rcp - 5/13/11 at 1:42pm
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Intel Core i7 990X @ 4.4GHz eVGA E760 X58 Classified  2x eVGA GTX980Ti 6GB Classified SLI eVGA GT 740 4GB SC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Corsair Dominator GT 6x4GB (24GB) Samsung 850 PRO 2TB 4x Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB (RAID-5) 6x Seagate Barracuda XT 3TB (RAID-6) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Sans Digital TR8UT+B Enclosure 8x500GB (RAID-50) Sans Digital TR8UT+B Enclosure 8x1TB (RAID-50) LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray Burner Swiftech Apogee Drive II 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Swiftech MCR320 10x Sanyo Denki 9SG1212G101 (260CFM) 3x Sanyo Denki 9G1212G401 (130CFM) Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
3x Yamakasi Catleap 2703 IPS 27" 2560x1440 Sony KDL50W800C 50" Smart 3D LED HDTV Logitech G710+ Mechanical Keyboard Brown Switches EVGA SuperNOVA NEX1500 Classified 
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Cooler Master ATCS 840 (Modded) Logitech G700s Rechargeable Gaming Mouse XTracPads Ripper XXL Desktop Gaming Mat HT Omega Claro Plus+ 7.1 
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Logitech Z-5500 5.1 Digital Speaker System Sony HTST9 7.1 Sound Bar Beyerdynamic A20 Headphone Amplifier Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 250 ohm Headphones 
AudioAudioOtherOther
Beyerdynamic Premium Tesla Hi-Fi T70 Headphones Blue Yeti Pro Microphone Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro Areca ARC-1260 RAID Controller Card 
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2x Lamptron FC-2 Fan Controller Lian Li EX-H34B Hot Swap Cage CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS D-Link Amplifi Cloud Router 5700 
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